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hi pals,

so i met this blonde, who is pretty cute, shy,friendly and honest. she is the opposite of a slut. i think she has class, she is studying pretty hard etc.

actually, she even asked me out!

on the first date, we went to the cinema and after that to ****tailbar (my ideas), when i met her, i gave her a slight hug and a kiss on her cheek. she seemed confused.

i payed for the cinema, when i did that, she seemed somehow annoyed and answered harsh with a "no". i told her, that i would pay, it would be ok. she was grateful. then she said, its my turn, i pay for the coke. i let her do that, it seemded fair.

at the ****tailbar i payed again, she reacted pretty shy and thankful (looking at the table, lowered her head)


i kept it formal for a first date. we talked, well okay i did most of the talking, she rather listened, smiled and answered pretty short. after the first ****tail, her lips loosened a bit and she "came out a bit", she did some talking to. we talked about work, her school, hobbies etc.

a good subject was her school, i know it is boring to talk about schools or jobs, but it suited the situation pretty good. she is 19 and i am 23. and her school career with all her problems, reminded me of my school career,when i was her age. she is just like i was, when i was 19.

so i acted as a sort mentor, giving her survival tips and all this stuff. we talked for 4 hours in that ****tailbar, time was just passing so quick.



at the end of the date, i decided to be a bit of a gentleman. she does not live far from my place, therefore i decided to escort her home, it was 4:00 a.m.

she refused at first, because i mentioned that i was pretty tired, so she wanted me to give me the chance to get to bed sooner, but i insisted on escorting her. i think she liked it.

when we were at her street, i hugged her again, for a goodbye. this time she was not confused, she pulled me slightly closer to her and gave me a kiss on my cheek at the same time i gaver her a kiss ( her confidence must have raised up).

a day later, i texted her and complimented her on the date. i told her,that i enjoyed the date and time with her and asked her out for another date.

she complimented me back and told me, that she had a wonderful time also.

i wanted to meet her last week, but she told me, that some of her familiy members came for a visit.

the second date is planned fpor this weekend. i wanted to play some billiard with her and use some kino. billiard is perfect for kino. you can touch her on her shoulders hands etc. especially,when the woman is acting a bit goofy, you can show her, how to hold a cue and hit the ball, by standing right behind of her. ;)

after that, i wanted to go for a drink in a cafe.

here is the plan: i have planned to contiune this kino, in the cafe. simply, by holding her hand and ask her: " would you like to go for dinner with me at st. valentines day?"

how is that idea? i dont wanna mess up. i think so far, she likes the charming gentleman way.

please give your opinions.

thanx :up:
 

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the second date is planned fpor this weekend. i wanted to play some billiard with her and use some kino. billiard is perfect for kino. you can touch her on her shoulders hands etc. especially,when the woman is acting a bit goofy, you can show her, how to hold a cue and hit the ball, by standing right behind of her.

after that, i wanted to go for a drink in a cafe.

here is the plan: i have planned to contiune this kino, in the cafe. simply, by holding her hand and ask her: " would you like to go for dinner with me at st. valentines day?"
It all seems too planned with the kino, just do it naturally.
 

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i dont plan that. its just my idea.

the difficulty is, that i do this the romantic/gentleman - way, which is close to afc, if you are not careful.

i just wanna make sure, that i do not act like an afc, with my valentines day plan+ holding hand on the second date.

any furhter tips how to act?

i dont want to be too slow and not too fast, because both is wrong
 

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You could try holding her hand on the way to the cafe aswell? If it works she'll feel more comfortable with you.
 

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You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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so i met this blonde, who is pretty cute, shy,friendly and honest. she is the opposite of a slut. i think she has class, she is studying pretty hard etc.

I see a oneitis red flag and pedestal treatment. The opposite of slvt is prude, btw.


she pulled me slightly closer to her and gave me a kiss on my cheek at the same time i gaver her a kiss

This is the exciting part? This whole thing is boring. You and her sound like a perfect boring match for each other. Stop being so nice. Stop gabbing on about your boring life for hours. This is not the right way to seduce women. But your boring girl sounds like she just wants attention without putting out, and thus again you two would be perfect for each other.

I mean you no personal offense; I want this to be constructive criticism. Be interesting. Challenge her. Excite her. Use mystery, intrigue, and suspense. Never let her be able to predict exactly what you are going to say or do next, and push the envelope with her physically. I will bet you that this girl wil gladly take another date with you and again refuse to be alone at your place or hers. That's when you either never call again and forget her, or keep doling out your attention and getting nothing in return, just like the average....frustrated.....chump.
 

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what do you expect?

this was the first date and she is pretty shy.

my ex gf, a real slut and a godess in bed (our sex was kinkier than any porn movie), was with me very conservative, or in your words "boring" on the first 3 dates!

as a matter of fact, ive got bad experiences in moving on fast and seducing, i did it recently, the girl melted in my hands. we were kissing, making out etc. the next day she texted me, that i am going to fast, she felt uncomfortable and is wondering if i just wanted to fvck her, though she went with me in making out.

she was in fact annoyed.

so this is my experience in beeing not- as you call it- "boring" at the beginning.

timing is the key to success. you need to know, or feel, when it is time to move to the next step. and i am afraid of is, that i am either to fast, or to slow.

you know my ex gf was a slut. she dressed like one, fvcked like one and talked like one + she was extremley attractive.

so why i am not with her together anymore?

simple!

i am sick and tired of an "arrogant glamour girl with her nose up in the sky"
i am sick of lack in conversation ( yes, these kind of girls are stupid,they just got looks and act *****y)
i am sick and tired of a slut kissing around with her female friends
i am sick and tired of a gf, who dresses like a *****

in the long run, a girl who is super hot and perfect in spreading her legs for you , will soon bore you to death. because there is nothing to do,than fvck her, listen to her *****y bratty arguments, fighting with her, fvck her again, get bored again, fight again.

know what i am saying? im finished with that, too old for this ****


i need a girl with brain and substance, a girl who is cute, but not a *****.

get it?
 

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So why are you here? To get advice on how not to get laid? That is success? Keep being nice, boring, and predictable and spending money on some AW who does not put out, and you will be successful in preserving your celibacy.
 

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i hoped that you would understand me.. of course i want sex with her, all i am saying is, that i wanna do all this with class and - call it style-

it is not about beeing boring and nice, its about beeing charming+ CONFIDENT

i dont know, its like "ghetto pimp vs. james bond"

i dont wanna be the ghetto pimp, i am trying to be gentle but confident and in control.
 

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I'm with DjDan on this one...

Tip for second date:

Bring two or three condoms, because one just isn't enough.
 

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