Tips Appreciated Guys

[Mad Manic]

Hey guys, I don't usually make threads because often any questions I have, have already been answered in the past. But currently I have a major sticking point ...

At the moment I'm fairly regularly number closing (and sometimes kiss closing, but don't care about this) HBs 7-9 in the 18-22 bracket, since I'm 20, but I'm having big issues with flaking and what not.

Originally, well 2 months back, I'd close a HB 7/8 and I'd be like "Woohoo I closed her, it's ON!". Then I realised the issues with flakiness. I then read why girls flake.

So after examining this, I was advised stuff:

- Stay in set even longer so you are more memorable to her
- Try and do instant dates to create the time distortion effect
- Spike her emotions more, again so that you're more memorable
- Qualify her more/a lot, so she doesn't think you're a player type who goes round macking on chicks all the time.
- Set-up a Day 2 there and then on the spot.

etc.

Now I started implementing this into my game. I'd be in set for 20 mins + on many occassions. In particular over half an hour with a particular HB9. The other day I closed a HB 7.5 and went round the shop with her to help with buying bday presents (time distortion), she gave me huge IOI's, at the end she wanted to chat even more. I qualified plenty. We agreed on a Day 2. We got to know each other very well. On Fri night, I opened a 6 set of HB 7-9s, ended up closing one of the HB8s after working the group well, IOI's again, great rapport and banter as usual, etc.

But they've all faked, except the HB6s who I had day 2s with but kinda sucked personality wise and wern't the girls I wanted to meet again.

So yes, any advice guys? Because at the moment I'm getting a bit pissed off with having great 15 min + interactions, closing and then flakiness. I know these girls are in demand but it's not reasonable to expect me to date ugly girls or wait till I'm 40 and date less in demand girls.

Help appreciated guys, major sticking point for me. :-|

 

[Dilberto]

You are a curious bloke, aren't you? If you are closing girls in that quality range........don't stop now! Keep it up!!!

 

[Mad Manic]

You are a curious bloke, aren't you? If you are closing girls in that quality range........don't stop now! Keep it up!!!

I'm not stopping but they're flaking, even the ones who seem REALLY into me and spend like 20-30 min chatting and flirting with me and giving me good IOIs. It seems like it's a classic case of girls being heavily in state, then the day after it's all gone or a new guy comes along.

But evidently the guys who are good with women got over this flakiness issue at some point, so yes how do I get over this?

 

[bambam]

i would think most girls in that range would want someone a lot older than 20.

 

[potato]

I'm not stopping but they're flaking, even the ones who seem REALLY into me and spend like 20-30 min chatting and flirting with me and giving me good IOIs. It seems like it's a classic case of girls being heavily in state, then the day after it's all gone or a new guy comes along.

But evidently the guys who are good with women got over this flakiness issue at some point, so yes how do I get over this?

It seems to me that one of the secrets to it is that you have to be memorable to the woman.

Many women will sit and talk with one who is friendly and confident enough to carry on a conversation. But to carry on for more than that you have to stick out in her mind. Guys who are good with women have memorable characteristics, good looking, nice hair, interesting stories, playfulness, funny, something that causes her to think about you, want to see you again. A guy who is entertaining to women will find himself with far more women than one who isn't.

 

[MooseGod]

i would think most girls in that range would want someone a lot older than 20.

Somebody give this man a cookie.

 

[squirrels]

Hey guys, I don't usually make threads

Which is why you're forgiven for posting in the wrong forum. Just don't do it again.

Questions go in Discussion. Tips is for people who HAVE tips, not people looking for tips.

 

[flows101]

here you go mate hope this helps (Part 1)

Basically with young chicks, they have NO IDEA how to get a guy
interested in them, and keep a guy attracted to them. They THINK
they do... but they are just following what society suggests they do
without actually understanding WHY they have to do x and y. So at
that age they are pretty much in a daze.... and the attractive ones
are getting attention without understanding why they get
attention... so they get all these complexes and stuff, and the
attitudes follow.

Problem with young chicks is that they FLAKE BAD. They have NO
IDEA (like I said) about what relationships are supposed to be
like... BUT they are deeply curious in knowing what goes on. They
are more likely to be irresponsible and just do whatever unless
somebody takes responsibility for teaching them and telling them
how relationships are supposed to work.

WE understand the processes behind the ritual of PU... but
YOUNG CHICKS DON'T. You have to remember that. They have
no idea how to get from x to z. They have no idea that they have to
give out their phone number, or you can't ask them out. They have
to learn that they can't argue with you, or you won't be nice to them.
They have to learn that they have to be willing to explore sex...
because that is perfectlly natural between man and woman. etc
etc.

You will most likely get flaked on a lot, and even when you have
garnered lots of IOIs and stuff, and the interest from women is
obviouslly there.
The way with young chicks is to take a fathering role... and a role of
a teacher almost.
When that young chick won't give out her number, you have to
basically give her a lecture on how dating and relationships work.
Maniac had a section on his layguide which explained things for
women who looked at his site. Use that as a base to work on.

Say she doesn't give her number citing some reason, you say
something like:

"Well, we were having a good conversation, and you like talking to
me right...? Well, when I asked for your number, it is simply bad
manners not to give it. That's what happens when a guy asks a girl
out. Didn't you know? Am I going to have to teach you? If you
don't give your number, how will you ever be able to date? You
want that do you? Well it's your responsibility here to give me your
number... it's just the done thing. EVERYBODY does it that way. So
don't argue with me about it... just write it there. When I call, what
you are supposed to do is be really excited to come and hang out
with me when I call. Got it? Good. What's your number then?"

 

[flows101]

here you go mate hope this helps (part 2)

I don't usually post field reports unless I specifically learn something from
them. This is one such time.

Recently, I was ranting on about shifting responsibility out from under women.
The theory being, that once gone, sex and being more open to advances would be
a piece of cake.
Just the HOW of trying to shift responsibility eluded me, but now it seems so
simple.

A few nights back I ****ed up a sarge by letting the chick "win" and escape
without follow-up, citing some lame excuse as they all have.
This was a young chick though, so I knew I was in for a flake anyway (so did my
wing).
What pissed me off though was that they were IN to me in a big way, that there
was no
reason to flake. It's almost as if I had to force them to tell me, but I had to
do it in
such a way that I didn't come off as a prick. Thing is, at the time I ran out
of plays in
the playbook and just ejected with explanation. It need not have happened if
the chick
just did as told. Hmmm.... got me thinking though.

Anyway, I'm in a Starbucks and there's some Japanese chick next to me, so I
open up with TPUAs old line:-

R:"So you speak English?"
HB:"Yes, I can...."

blah blah blah (mostly fluff)

R:"You seem to be someone who comes across as very mature, not like other
women..." (Some cold reading here. So now I am the expert on her)
HB:"Thank you! So what do you do?
R:"I give women pleasure!"
HB: *laughs* (although this is usually a money line, I have got a few *****es
give me nasty
looks for this one... oh well, ****'em)

...(more fluff, until)....

HB:" There was this guy on the train who wanted me to give him his number, and
I said no."
R:"Why did you do that?"
HB:"He was kind of weird."
R:"I see. So anyway... who was the last guy you gave your number to?"
HB:"Well,... uh,.... there was this guy,.... once...."
R:"And what was his name?....." (chasing this one down!)
HB:"Um.... er...?"
R:"Must have been pretty special if you can't remember!"
HB:"I .... guess..."
R:"Don't you know that exchanging numbers is how people hook up?"
*shakes her head*

(amazing... some women just have no idea how to hook up with a guy. Or at
least, if they
do know, they pretend not to! When it comes to sex, its deny deny deny....)

R:"So how did you organise your last date?"
HB: *silence* (BTW this chick is somewhere in her 20s)
R:"Don't tell me that I have to teach you how to go on a date?"
HB:*laughs*
R:"Well, when a guy asks you out, it's only polite to respond with your phone
number. Say for instance you Meet this really attractive guy, that you find
irresistable... and you really want to be intimate with him, to the point where
you have thoughts about him all the time. What if he asked you for your number,
and you got scared, and then he got upset and left you? You would be upset
wouldn't you."
HB:"yes"

(The patterning here was completely accidental, but the set-up was there, so I
made use of it. Funny how I am playing therapist here, but I am TELLING HER
what move she is supposed to make next.)

R:"And it would be silly to think that you let this great guy go because you
were scared. Well, exchanging numbers when meeting people is how EVERYBODY
hooks up."

(Cialdini's social sphere of influence)

HB:*shuts up and listens*
R:"I know that you really want to feel a special connection with some guy, and
as you think about that, doesn't it just make perfect sense that you should
just give your number out. It's the man's responsibility to take out women and
to show them a *really* good time. Guys have to make a lot of effort, and while
it may be scary for you, they are trying to take you on an adventure... and it
wrecks the mood when you don't cooperate"

HB: "Do you have a girlfriend?" (It's obviously working)
R:"Yes"
HB:"How many?"
R:"No it's not like that... just the one, and she knows exactly how to make me
happy."

(In retrospect, I shouldn't have said that. I was doing well enough without the
distraction
of having to explain that one. I just put myself out of the picture for the
eventual close.
Still, I do have an LTR, so I'm not lying here.)

HB:"She must be happy"
R:"Yes she is. It's my responsibility to look after her and to make her happy
in all sorts of ways"
HB:*laughs*
R:"You know, i think it's great when you've found someone that you can
completely trust and open yourself up to....."

I continue the patterning for a while.

R:"Well I have to go, so good luck when you meet that special guy"
(realising the ****up and bad situational logistics i.e.10pm on a weekday with
my apartment miles away and work to do)logistics)
HB:"thanks, I learnt something" *smiles* and more IOIs.

...and I could have taught her a lot more, but I had to go, + she wasn't that
hot + I just wanted to
prove my point by sarging her.

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Ok, so basically here's what I understand and why I did what I did:

First, I know that if a women rejects your number or flakes on you, it's
usually because she
is assuming the "dating" frame and is so damn excited about it, she's about to
piss herself.
The fear is real though... that is, the fear of either ****ing up her chances,
fear or having to
take responsibility for sex, and the fear of some sick pervert. All these
things fill her head at once
and spins chick logic into action.
If she will not give her number to you, she *usually* hasn't given it to any
other guy in the past either.
If she has then, well, she's not interested in you... stiff ****.

Also, many women (like this chick) just have no goddammed idea about how to get
picked up, and what it
takes to find a decent guy. Plus they make zero effort in trying to make any
effort in this regard.
Again, the slut factor kicks in and they're stuck between a rock and a hard
place. They want a guy, but
the slut factor stops them from trying... and then they don't want to be
responsible for sex. They want another guy
to deal with it. Plus they don't know HOW to have sex. Fear of "****ing up
during ****ing" if such a thing is possible
or not. So they're left hanging on the shelf... and who is there to teach them
about sex?
Not their parents... not their teachers... not their other female friends...
and definitely NOT
any of those women's magazines (that's more like reading ASF, compared to
actual sarging).
Who else is there except us?

Jerks get the women by blasting them whenever they **** up. This is not
necessary, but it
serves the same purpose.. that of teaching them how to be women. Women want
nice guys, but
these guys have to lead the way and tolerate their ****ups at the same time...
to SHIFT the
responsibility of sex off them and onto himself. Weak nice guys just expect the
woman to do this,
and she never does.
Being the dominant male is all about being like a doctor and treating the
patient.

OK, so what about those times when a chick ropes you in to blab on about the
*******
ex-boyfriend? Well, in order to follow this concept through, the only thing
that works
here is obviously tough-love. That is, you'd basically have to force the chick
into
situations where you are actually teaching her to find better guys and have
better relationships...
with you. No sitting around saying "poor baby". You'd basically have to say
"Screw your
boyfriend, he doesn't know how to treat you. I'll teach you everything about
great sex
and stable relationships, because I'm better than that ****head."

 

[Mad Manic]

lol!!!!!!