"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Tinder is a service for women, not men

redskinsfan92

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So, I have been on Tinder over a couple of years and only have gotten a handful dates. I tried every strategy and photo. What I learned was that it benefits women, not men.

1. Tinder gives men a paywall sooner.
Tinder allows men to swipe right only 100 times in 12 hours. This is not true for women. I had made a fake female profile for an experiment. I swiped right 500+ times and was never asked to buy Tinder Gold.

2. There is an algorithm working against the less attractive.those who get less matches appear deeper and deeper in the stack causing them to get even fewer matches.

3. There is a feedback loop. Guys are swiping right on every girl to get matches to boost their ego. This is resulting in women getting thousands of mstches and men getting less.

4. Ugly girls get more matches than good looking men. This has been proven in my own expirements as well as others.

5. Due to all this, the woman you matched and messaged has dozens if not hundreds of other messages from guys.

So, don't feel bad about lack if success online. Go get women in RL!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I've had good luck with POF, far better than any of the others such as Tinder, Zoosk, Bumble, etc. I always open with something clean and funny, or even a question that leads to a funny answer. But if you open with "hey whats up" or "hi" or worse yet "send me a pic of your t|ts" and you are just like all of your competition. I agree tho that OLD is stacked against men overall, and that ugly women can easily do better than attractive men.
 

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I've had good luck with POF, far better than any of the others such as Tinder, Zoosk, Bumble, etc. I always open with something clean and funny, or even a question that leads to a funny answer. But if you open with "hey whats up" or "hi" or worse yet "send me a pic of your t|ts" and you are just like all of your competition. I agree tho that OLD is stacked against men overall, and that ugly women can easily do better than attractive men.
I agree that those openers are better, but coming up with them all the time in the first message is a pain in the @ss. It's just not worth it for the low return on investment and when it doesn't pay off your energy to do it again decreases. After years on OLD, you start to understand why most guys (and nearly all the women who've contacted me) just send something like "hey" to start.

So imo there's a dilemma:

Option 1: Make a funny personal message for everyone you message and spend comparably loads of effort on women who are only gonna rate you by your pics anyway
Option 2: Send out a "Hey" to see if they are interested at all knowing that it's all about the pics anyway, if they like your pics then they will respond with whatever, and that's when you deploy the funny personal message - but at the cost of your first message not standing out

Is the solution to synthesize those options and make a funny but mass-produced message? I mean I guess that has to be it. But then it becomes "How many other girls did you send that to?"....
 
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