Tinder Experiment

[ChristopherColumbus]

Now imagine if a woman came in SS and said she saw a nervous slightly overweight looking guy turn up, so she bailed.

And she bailed to another Starbucks. A very handsome guy, 6'2, dressed to the nines walked up straight over to her. It turned out to actually be her date. So was SO relieved! She had a very pleasant coffee and is meeting again for dinner Thursday.

That woman would get destroyed on SS.

I prefer to meet women in real life, and so, as I said, for me Tinder is more experimental. The thing is you can meet a woman in real life, who by all the 'objective' standards would be judged less than attractive, and yet often there is something about her to which you are subjectively attracted to. This whole dimension is lost in on-line dating, so when you meet someone who you've deemed attractive only by their digital representation, you can be sorely disappointed when seeing them in the flesh... so to speak. Now I mistook this woman for the other as I was not going on a lot of information from the beginning... a too distant photo, a too close one, and a brief conversation... following the orthodoxy to set up the date ASAP.

On a side note: CC, why are taking this woman out to dinner on a 2nd date? Aren't we supposed to go and have sex with her on the 2nd?

Well, will just have to see what eventuates on the second date. I'm not desperate for sex, and who knows, that may work in my favor. By the way, she was the one to quickly offer me dinner... on a Thursday night, which suited me fine. I got the impression she was more interested in me, which is the kind of dynamic you want.

 

[Trump]

It's not about how old. It's about the value equation.

22 year old men are not going to appeal to women much older than 22. A hot 40 year old man has a much wider appeal and would get hit on by women 18-50 something.

I think you are confusing "value" with "status". Even if you have money, power, and value, girls won't care unless you have status.

I don't agree "a hot 40 year man has a wider appeal...." I'm in my late 30s, ok looking, have game, have more money I know what to do with, and I cannot get 30 year old women who work at coffee shops for $9.50/hour to go on a date.

It has very much to do with age. Age is becoming deadlier for a guy than a girl nowadays.

 

[guru1000]

I think you are confusing "value" with "status". Even if you have money, power, and value, girls won't care unless you have status.

I don't agree "a hot 40 year man has a wider appeal...." I'm in my late 30s, ok looking, have game, have more money I know what to do with, and I cannot get 30 year old women who work at coffee shops for $9.50/hour to go on a date.

It has very much to do with age. Age is becoming deadlier for a guy than a girl nowadays.

I'm older than you and have an army of 8s and 9s ages 25-33, blowing up my phone trying to get me out on another date. I flaked on four dates this wknd. Now are you you going to continue blaming age as the culprit?

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Let's say a woman in her prime is 24. Statistically, women tend to prefer a man about four years older than she is, so that would be 28. So yeah, 20s.

But it's more about value than age, IMO. If the 40 year old is higher value than the 28 year old, the girl may very well go for the value. As I've said before, girls tend to deny that they would date a guy significantly older, but when they encounter a high value older man in reality most will quickly change their mind.

It's only about money and free time, and sometimes attitude (less games an bs, could be more like a father figure). The man needs time to make himself. This is what older fellas have going for them.

 

[Solomon]

The skanks on OLD see Him as beyond them. The few quality ones bothering with OLD are wondering why a quality guy is bothering with OLD.... there is something unmanly and highly consumerist about it all.

A real woman does not want an overly-domesticated guy. She desires something more... authentic and primordial.... something more transcendental.

She desires a high value male, who is not afraid to approach IRL @Urbanyst or am I wrong?

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Agreed, in part, with the comments regards the man's age. I was doing OLD 10-15 years ago when it first came about, before the unwashed masses got involved. So in my early to mid twenties, I was only really getting (online) attention from women my own age of younger. Though equally, the main issue with men in their 30s-50s is that most don't look after themselves properly.

The most sought after, valuable individuals, online or anywhere else in the dating market, are quarter life-early middle age men who are successful, well off and have maintained a respectable level of physical well-being.

- The 45 year old, fat, sweaty, alcoholic business man with halitosis, who's idea of physical exercise is a round of golf is no more attractive that the 22 year Abercrombie model in the OP. In fact probably less so. Most women don't need fatty business boy's dollar anymore.
- The 22 year old gym bunny chick, with the slender, athletic build, large breasts and child-bearing hips, though she is indeed riding the crest of the SMV tidal wave, she is far from unique. She has many, many competitors just like her. Despite the attitude of many thirsty men, she is very disposable and easily replaced.

- The 45, even 55, sh!t even 65 year old male who has maintained the physique of a man half his age, has broad life experience and personal success, and amassed even moderate wealth, is far and away the most valuable and unique commodity on the SM. Add a bit of game and genetic good fortune and he easily exceeds the value of most if not all beautiful young women.

 

[machoMax]

Most women have a specific "type" they are looking for online.. not just attractiveness.

Every guy's "type" is young and hot. So of course the young hot woman will get more matches. You also have to factor in that women don't "swipe blind" like men do. They usually take a good look at a guy's pics and profile bio before swiping.

Something like that, also they are trying to figure out guy social status, incomes, etc.

 

[guru1000]

It's only about money and free time, and sometimes attitude (less games an bs, could be more like a father figure). The man needs time to make himself. This is what older fellas have going for them.

When I was young, I used to think 40+ was old. I'm in my early 40s.

Let's put it this way, take away all my resources and profession. Leave me with just my looks and game. Let's assume you had equal looks. Put me in any venue with you. I will clean up all the women aged 25-35+. You will win the 18-21 group. The 22-24 will be up in the air.

Now one could argue that girls in the 18-21 age have greater SMV. I like my women to look like women; that is with curves, not little boys. That would be the 21-26 yo range at their prime. If a woman takes great care of herself, she will look hot as she ages as well, though losing fractions of a point with each decade.

Now add my resources and profession into the equation, and we're no longer comparable. Don't inflate your SMV young man. Your SMV will grow as you age, assuming you employ your time in the right places. If you become the surgeon you want to be and maintain your looks, you will carry the SMV of a king, and have mostly any woman you desire.

When you think of aging, don't think of BigNeil. That's a poor example. Think James Bond.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

When I was young, I used to think 40+ was old. I'm in my early 40s.

Let's put it this way, take away all my resources and profession. Leave me with just my looks and game. Let's assume you had equal looks. Put me in any venue with you. I will clean up all the women aged 25-35+. You will win the 18-21 group. The 22-24 will be up in the air.

Now one could argue that girls in the 18-21 age have greater SMV. I like my women to look like women; that is with curves, not little boys. That would be the 21-26 yo range at their prime. If a woman takes great care of herself, she will look hot as she ages as well, though losing fractions of a point with each decade.

Now add my resources and profession into the equation, and we're no longer comparable. Don't inflate your SMV young man. Your SMV will grow as you age, assuming you employ your time in the right places. If you become the surgeon you want to be and maintain your looks, you will carry the SMV of a king, and have mostly any woman you desire.

When you think of aging, don't think of BigNeil. That's a poor example. Think James Bond.

I fully see what you mean. I was talking about core value. No extremities such as professions or socioeconomic status. Take two men and strip away everything they have; their clothes, homes, cars, jobs, etc. Who would be the higher value male? THIS is what I am talking about.

 

[Urbanyst]

She desires a high value male, who is not afraid to approach IRL @Urbanyst or am I wrong?

I'm going to share you secret with you. Make sure you're sitting down because its pretty heavy.

Are you ready?

Here goes:

All women are not the same nore do they judge a man's value the same.

 

[zekko]

I fully see what you mean. I was talking about core value. No extremities such as professions or socioeconomic status. Take two men and strip away everything they have; their clothes, homes, cars, jobs, etc. Who would be the higher value male? THIS is what I am talking about.

The main advantage the young guy (in his early 20s) has is logistics. He may be more in the same social circles and situations (clubs, school, and whatnot).

Looks-wise, IF the guy in his 30s has taken care of himself and practiced self improvement in his 20s (which is what the 20s are for, IMO.), it might be a wash or the older guy may have an advantage. Women aren't obsessed with youth the way guys are, and men aren't built like women. Age can make a guy look a little harder, edgier, rougher, give him a little of that Clint Eastwood feel (and I don't mean 70 year old Clint).

More importantly, the 30 year old guy is likely to be more relaxed around women, funnier, more confident, have better game, have more and better stories to tell, better ideas about where to go, what to do, and what women like. It's not just "He has more money", his experience, wisdom, and maturity gives him an edge.

 

[guru1000]

I fully see what you mean. I was talking about core value. No extremities such as professions or socioeconomic status. Take two men and strip away everything they have; their clothes, homes, cars, jobs, etc. Who would be the higher value male? THIS is what I am talking about.

Physical peak for a man is 18-25. By physical I mean testosterone levels are their highest, and within this age bracket, its easiest to pack on lean muscle mass naturally.

However, the attractiveness peak for a man is 32-35 yo. This is where he loses the babyfat on his cheeks and looks like a man--as opposed to a little boy. Hot women of all ages are attracted to the GQ chiseled-jaw, angular high-cheek boned, low-browed men--and less to the round, cute, want-to-pinch-cheeked baby face.

To add: On physicality and game alone, I attract more 9s today than I ever did before--and this is usually before these 9s have any idea about my wealth/occupation. Then, when they find out what I do, they become sex slaves Though, you have others like @Trump, who is younger than me, who complains that age is a hindrance. Much of this is individually-based on how well you take care of and invest into your physicality as you get older.

 

[AJ84]

I once watched this documentary about men seeking mail order brides. All of the men were trolls save for the oldest man, who was in his mid 60s. He was hot and charming and intelligent whereas the other men were out of shape, bad dressers with sexist attitudes looking for a submissive 20 yr old wife. That hot old guy decided to leave, he thought it was bs Hahahaha and he ended up with an attractive American woman back in the states.

I think for both men and women if you have a good attitude, some confidence, are fit, with a healthy diet and can groom and dress well you will can be attractive for a long time.

 

[sosousage]

I just got unmatched by fat girl. She said she took her car from mechanic i said oh ok and unmatch. WTF?

 

[EyeBRollin]

It's a numbers game and we knew this already