"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Thoughts on timing to initiate?

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So, recently I have been getting a lot better at getting #'s from women. It could very well be the holiday cheer that we speak of : ).

Just wanted to get thoughts from members on what's a good time to get back once you get a number - specifically from women online? (if it's club/bar approach, I try to meet later same night or meet within a day or 2)

This girl that is one of the hotter ones I have spoken to recently gave me her # online just now (sat evening). Should I message on sun/mon only? texting sat night could go both ways - good, if I mention I am going out and convey that I have a social life. bad, coz I don't want too much time to elapse bw first point of contact and actual date (weekday next week)

thoughts please?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

Read more...

mark123

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I know it sounds like a trivial question, but since there is quite a lot I still have to learn, even the smallest of things could damage my chances...
 
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Don't make this harder than it needs to be. If you have the time to think about this on the level at which you're analyzing it, you need to add some things to your life. Guys on here always give a standard list of things to do... go to the gym, take up a new hobby ect. And you should be going to the gym if you're not already. But, for example, now that I'm out of the university for winter break and one of my brothers fell in to this cheap bookcase I had from Walmart and broke it, I'm building a nice bookshelf next week. I put the lumber order in earlier today. Woodworking is a great hobby: when you're done, it gives you something tangible you can actually use, give, or sell and feel really good about. It's something you can talk about... ie, you invite a girl over and she sees this nice table:

http://artofmanliness.com/2011/10/27/make-a-dining-room-table-by-thanksgiving/

She makes a comment about it because it's a unique piece. You say, thanks, I made it myself. And after you explain that you really did, instant DHV and you now have something to talk about. You can show her the other things you've made.

But I'm on a tangent right now.

You want to know when you should call the girl, not how to make furniture :)

Like I said earlier, you need to have a life that's full enough to where you don't have time to worry about trivial things like these. If you met the girl at the bar, I would say you need to text her immediately after getting the # so that she puts your name in her phone and is less likely to forget you.

Same thing if you meet her anywhere else.

I prefer calling women because it differentiates you from the rest of the AFC boys out there who can't conger up their masculinity sufficient enough to actually speak to the voice of a girl. However, what I've been finding out is that a lot of girls our age are about as uncomfortable talking to guys on the phone as most guys are about talking to them. I will call them, leave a brief message, and they'll text me back. This drives me crazy because I vehemently hate texting. This phenomenon has just about driven me to eliminate texting from my Verizon plan and block all incoming texts so that the girls have to actually speak to me on the phone. Texting is a big cop out and is a hallmark of insecurity. It's a poor way to communicate because not only are you totally missing out on the person's body language, you're also missing out on their voice tone. It's probably the WORST way you can communicate.

But you might have to because girls are just as screwed up as most guys.

I would say that you shouldn't call the girl immediately, but you also shouldn't wait too long either. Remember, there's nothing wrong with the fact that you like the girl (I'm assuming you do). There's nothing wrong with the fact that you are attracted to her (and may even want to.... :eek: ... have sex with her!!!!). I think too many guys get way too hung up on whether or not what they're doing is going to telegraph "interest" to a girl. If you're comfortable with yourself and don't act like an AFC, who in the world cares if you do something that telegraphs interest? If you're not an AFC and know how to be a MAN, you'll know how to do this appropriately. Think about James Bond, or any of Marlon Brando's characters... do you think any of them would have given 2 craps about whether a girl they were interested in cared if they telegraphed "interest" to them?

I think calling immediately indicates that you don't have enough going on in your life and are too interested/desperate. That's not attractive. Calling in a day or 2 will show that while you are interested, you are not continuously checking your account and have other things in your life that keep you from being immediately accessible to the girl... but you do have enough interest to figure out a way to "work her in" to your schedule, according to your whims and as your time permits.

Since I was able to take the time to write such a ridiculously long and tangential response to this... obviously, I need to find something to do. So I will.

Hopefully this helped!
 

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Thanks Rubato! This was really helpful. I decided to wait for a day before reaching out to her.
 
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