This works... I tested it.

[Mr. Wise]

From the Bible:
Rule 1 of the Tao of Steve: Eliminate your desires. If your out with a girl and you are thinking of getting laid, you're finished. A woman can smell your agenda.

When you interact with a woman and she senses no desire in you, it does a lot of things. First of all, she will feel more comfortable with you. Secondly, by her sensing you are not lusting after her, it causes her to become confused as to why you are not lusting after her like every other guy does: it makes you stand out. By not overtly desiring her, you become a challenge. Because of the affront to her ego, she all of a sudden wonders how she can make you become more attracted to her or at least notice her. Finally, you will more easily have fun and be more fun to be around which will make women respond more positively towards you.



First of all - thx to MacAvoy for bringing this to my attention. Here's the story:

I invited a HB9, yes 9 (one of 2 of the best looking girls I know who broke up with her BF 3 mon. ago), to go out and throw darts with me 2 nights ago - she drove to meet me there. I thought this was going to be a one on one thing. Well, 3 other guys came and met us over there - worker bees - one of which is a very popular bartender with the ladies. With the above attitude in mind I talked to her as if I had no interest in having sex with her whatsoever - "Just Being". I teased with neg hits and treated her well but not trying to impress her or anything - again just being and hanging out. The other 3 guys were acting AFCish right in front of my eyes. I was thinking to myself, that's how I would normally be, trying to impress her, trying to get her attention over the others. Cutting to the chase, she started off the night sitting across from me and ended up next to me with her arm around mine - my arm in my own lap not responding to her IOI. The popular bartender dude said to me "whoa, I think she's into you dude". Anyway as it got late, I left them. I said to her abruptly, "I gotta go, gotta wake up early tomorrow" and said "bye" to her and the 3 guys. She followed me to the door and said, "let's do something this weekend". I said, "ok, I'll call you on Sunday (Monday is a holiday)". That's not all, she called me last night "to talk". After 10 minutes I told her "I had to go, I'm in the middle of something" in which she confirmed the get together on Sunday before we hung up.

Here's the bad news: Her ex is an aquaintence of mine, although I knew her before they went out. Her ex is also a "badass" badboy fighter in which I wouldn't risk making her anything else but a friend - he outweighs me by about 60- 70lbs. I know him and he's cool to me but I don't hang around with him at all though. I seen this guy jump kick a stop sign. I guess knowing this makes it a lot easier to "just be friends" with her - so don't give me too much credit. :woo:

 

[wjh]

Don't puss out over the ex-boyfriend dude. If he touches you file charges. He won't kill you, and if he does leave me your stereo. Thanks!

 

[wjh]

And BTW I just happened to read the disinterest DJ Bible item you're referring to (for the 3rd time). What a coincidence.

I agree with it.

 

[Mr. Wise]

Don't puss out over the ex-boyfriend dude. If he touches you file charges. He won't kill you, and if he does leave me your stereo. Thanks!

You see, I don't want it to get to that point where I have to file charges. I also don't want him to mess up my beautiful baby face. :nervous: I can easily pass for early to mid 20's, she's 24.

However if I decide to follow through on her, you'll really enjoy my stereo. It's an Onkyo reciever with Polk Audio speakers. :crackup:

 

[My Name is Nobody]

I agree about not letting your desires rule you! I tested this myself last night!

Last night I went out with my new plate and we came to my place and watched a movie and she passed out on the sofa and we went to bed but I didn't even try to have sex with her. I just passed out too, and then this morning she thanked me for it and gave me morning sex! It was a quikkie but who cares it was morning sex.

If I tried to hump her last night I probably would have pissed her off! Maybe it was some kind of sh!t test??

 

[Mr. Wise]

Here's the kicker: The dude I mentioned that ALWAYS hangs around her paid the tab and wouldn't accept any money from me. Talk about a chump - he's the ultimate AFC.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

Here's the kicker: The dude I mentioned that ALWAYS hangs around her paid the tab and wouldn't accept any money from me. Talk about a chump - he's the ultimate AFC.

I went to get some coffee this morning and there was an AFC talking to the coffee clerk she was HOT. So I ordered my coffee and she is like "we don't have coffee anymore" and I said "how rude let me talk to your boss right now... just kidding"...

Then the AFC said "i gotta go call me later".. and the girl said "NOT" and didn't even look at him.. OHH that poor poor guy I should have told him to visit sosuave.

I should have hit on the coffee lady actually but I didn't. Maybe next time I go there I'll use that interaction to my advantage and get the #.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

As for the kick boxer to hell with him, don't be scared. There are laws sue his ass if he messes with you and bang his girlfriend. Or carry a concealed weapon and shoot him in self defense. Why are you worried about a steroid freak? His d!ck is probably the size of a noodle.

 

[Mr. Wise]

As for the kick boxer to hell with him, don't be scared. There are laws sue his ass if he messes with you and bang his girlfriend. Or carry a concealed weapon and shoot him in self defense. Why are you worried about a steroid freak? His d!ck is probably the size of a noodle.

I just don't want to get into it with him - period. Better to have him on my side rather than against me. There are other chicks I want more than her anyway, even if she's super hot looks-wise. I really don't like her lifestyle and her personality has a few flaws to tell you the truth. She was kinda psycho with her ex. All she's got going for her is her looks. I have a few other chicks in mind I want to try this "new me" out on and my friend here is going to help me as a pivot/wingwoman. She can open any chick because, believe it or not, even girls are intimidated by her looks and want to know and "be" her.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

I just don't want to get into it with him - period. Better to have him on my side rather than against me. There are other chicks I want more than her anyway, even if she's super hot looks-wise. I really don't like her lifestyle and her personality has a few flaws to tell you the truth. She was kinda psycho with her ex. All she's got going for her is her looks. I have a few other chicks in mind I want to try this "new me" out on and my friend here is going to help me as a pivot/wingwoman. She can open any chick because, believe it or not, even girls are intimidated by her looks and want to know and "be" her.

So are you saying this guy will try to beat you up if you hook up with the girl?

We are in a free society and you can carry a gun in your pocket. If this guy really threatened me I would put it in his face and if it was self defense I would shoot his ass.

I wouldn't shoot his ass just his leg, he won't be kicking anything after that.

 

[Mr. Wise]

So are you saying this guy will try to beat you up if you hook up with the girl?

We are in a free society and you can carry a gun in your pocket. If this guy really threatened me I would put it in his face and if it was self defense I would shoot his ass.

I wouldn't shoot his ass just his leg, he won't be kicking anything after that.

He probably wouldn't lay a finger on me. He's actually very cool to me. Also, violence ain't my style.

Furthermore, I don't want this chick for a relationship with. I was just testing out that "missing piece" of the puzzle when it came to gaming chicks where I'd try to impress them too much.

I do however, want her to help me score other chicks. She's great social proof and a heck of a talker (sometimes too much). Perfect for a pivot.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

He probably wouldn't lay a finger on me. He's actually very cool to me. Also, violence ain't my style.

Furthermore, I don't want this chick for a relationship with. I was just testing out that "missing piece" of the puzzle when it came to gaming chicks where I'd try to impress them too much.

I do however, want her to help me score other chicks. She's great social proof and a heck of a talker (sometimes too much). Perfect for a pivot.

But you wrote a whole paragraph about her so that tells me you are pretty interested!

 

[My Name is Nobody]

This is the complete opposite of Gunwich method.

I think you have to incorporate ALL the methods when seeing a woman.

 

[Mr. Wise]

But you wrote a whole paragraph about her so that tells me you are pretty interested!

I only wrote so much about her because I wanted others to know what type of chick we're talking about here. She's a queen bee and got worker bees all over the place. I'm just not one of them and didn't act like it that time - therefore she reacted the way she did. It confused her. I however, used to drool over her in the past, she sensed it of course and distanced herself from me. I ran into her this past Sat. at a club and told her about the chick in my other posts (she was there too) so she knew where my feelings stood. She hung around me when we were around the other chick so that was great social proof. She sensed I didn't give a ratsass about her and accepted my so-called dart date.

 

[Mr. Wise]

This is the complete opposite of Gunwich method.

Can you elaborate briefly about this method?

 

[Jitterbug]

I don't think eliminating your desires is the answer, at least not for me. Being comfortable with them is. Let's face it, women all know that we want to have sex with them, so it's not like you can hide it. Truly eliminating them will probably just make her think that you're asexual. What women can "smell" here is whether you're comfortable or not with your own sexuality. If you're embarassed by it, then she will catch the vibe and will be uncomfortable with sharing hers with yours. When I'm out on a date, I never "eliminate" or "hide" my desires for the woman. The key is to demonstrate your sexuality with finesse, show her that you're a sexual being, and not appearing like a desperate horndog. If you lead with your sexuality, she will follow. It's field tested and I bed a lot of them after a date or two, if there's any mutual attraction that I can escalate from.

Desire isn't the same as lust, in my book. Lust is a craving, a desperation to satisfy something like hunger or thirst. It's the "anything will do" mentality, too needy and lacks class. Desire is more like appreciation (with solid understanding behind it) for a work of art. If you want to bed a woman yet show no desire in your interaction with her, it's a sure fire way to get tossed in the Friend Zone. A lot of my friends get this treatment and all they get for their efforts is a long list of female "friends" that they don't have any chance with.

Half of the problems with being a man in this society is that male sexuality is suppressed and ridiculed. I say break free of it, and not be ashamed of yours.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

Can you elaborate briefly about this method?

Just do a search for "gunwich" titles only and you'll see it.

 

[jophil28]

From the Bible:
Rule 1 of the Tao of Steve: Eliminate your desires. If your out with a girl and you are thinking of getting laid, you're finished. A woman can smell your agenda.

This is stupid advice . Who the bleep is 'Steve' ?

Read the post above by JITTERBUG - he "gets" it. Very impressive for a 24 year old.

 

[reset]

It's from a movie called Tao of Steve, "steve" being Steve MqQueen and other "steves" in life that are cool. It's a good movie about a guy who's a total slacker but he gets chicks. Of course the ending of the film kind of jinxes it.

 

[Mr. Wise]

I think there are various ways of "getting the girl" and naturally knowing what method (for lack of a better word) to use is different from girl to girl. In my case, this chick has EVERY GUY IN THE ESTABLISHMENT showing "his sexuality and desire" with her. She gets attention by many guys constantly. By using this approach she thought of me as different and a challenge. If I had shown my desire to bed her from the beginning, there is no doubt in my mind she would be unattracted to me.

But... for women who already have mid to high interest in you will go out with you and you can pretty much do anything to "get her". So yeah, displaying that you want sex with her will work - for a while. But try using that method over and over like I did just recently with another girl and eventually she sees you as no challenge resulting in her distancing herself from you. I just went through this harsh reality. I'd bet if I had backed off on "desire", I'd still be with her. I feel that you can getaway with showing desire to a chick who already thinks you're hot and if you just want to be a PUA. For developing a relationship, it sucks. Like the article said, "they can smell your agenda" and get turned off.


I still think this approach works well and won't put you in the friend zone if you can build attraction using confidence and friendly banter without showing desire to sex her.

Update: She called me last night and we went out. We went to a restuarant/bar and every guy was eying her - not kidding. At the end of the night she wanted to get together again tonight but I'm going to decline because I already have plans and I want to increase challenge. We already have plans for Sunday so there's no rush for me. That's twice in a week, enough already. Also, I'm still not comfortable being with her because of the ex. I'm hesitant at least.