"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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This site has turn to a male version of feminism

Dhoulmagus

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All I see is all women are insert some sedistic comment about them. What about men? Sites like return of kings act like all women are evil while men are saints. BS, most men are pathetic chumps or monsters. It's a war lol
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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First, we get complaints that there's too much discussion about Speed Seduction, and now this. What's this message board coming to???

I guess all we can do is move this thread to the "Anything Else" forum
 

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I can't disagree with you. The difference here, though, is that feminism doesn't make sense.
 

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Dhoulmagus said:
All I see is all women are insert some sedistic comment about them. What about men? Sites like return of kings act like all women are evil while men are saints. BS, most men are pathetic chumps or monsters. It's a war lol
Then you are blind and suffering under extreme confirmation bias. Only a small % of posts to this forum contain any kind of vilifying women, and as one of few places where men can vent about the state of culture and their personal experiences in it, it's surprising there's not more.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Dhoulmagus said:
All I see is all women are insert some sedistic comment about them. What about men? Sites like return of kings act like all women are evil while men are saints. BS, most men are pathetic chumps or monsters. It's a war lol
What about men? I haven't seen not one post on here or any other MRA or MGTOW Website that said Men were saints.

Society has spent the last 30-40 years bashing Men openly and discussing our "flaws," while it was WOMEN that were made out to be Saints and "victims" of male oppression.

Now today, Society and the Courts are totally in favor of women in ANY situation involving a man and a woman, it's to the point where women can do no wrong. False rape, sexual harassment, unfair child custody/support laws, unfair marriage/divorce/alimony laws, fat acceptance movement, single mother acceptance movement, it's everywhere.

This is one of the few places Men can discuss these things without getting fired from their jobs or labeled a RAPIST. And here you come trying to silence our opinions and commentary? What would you prefer that we discuss? 101 ways to get into her panties? 200 ways to number close?
 

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Bottom line is that in any randomly distributed group, you're going to have trouble sifting though the junk. Whether you're looking for clients, friends, or lovers, everybody's going to suck (according to your own subjective standards) except those that don't.

Those that make a commitment to themselves to find those that don't suck, usually find them.

Those that complain that they can't find those that don't suck, usually don't.

Law of the jungle, bitches.
 

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Dhoulmagus said:
All I see is all women are insert some sedistic comment about them. What about men? Sites like return of kings act like all women are evil while men are saints. BS, most men are pathetic chumps or monsters. It's a war lol
Just ignore the whiners and try to help men as best as you can. Thats what I do.

I think it was Espi who said it best, that a lot of people on this site are talkers. This goes for many of us. A message board of any kind allows people to puff out their chests and do a lot of big talk...but in reality only few of us back up the representation we make of ourselves and our views online.

It is what it is. The best you can do is just be even-keeled and steer men on a positive if they are open to it.

I mean you saw from my thread a week ago how most men here can overreact to little situations. A girl Im dating who starting texting me less (though still everyday) was said to have been screwing around on me (according to those who replied). The end was near, she was a low quality plate they said...etc etc. And so it turns out that I was overthinking and shes getting ready to make a push for commitment.

That thread was a prime example of just how pessimistic men here are, and some of the posts highlighted how certain men here will see women as the enemy. I mean, many of us have been put through emotional, mental, or financial hell thanks to women...so its not surprising. I just keep my emotional distance with women, and a realistic outlook without getting swept up in negativity.
 
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How can she go from screwing around on you to a push for commitment? Did the guy she was screwing, bugger off on her?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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LiveFreeX said:
How can she go from screwing around on you to a push for commitment? Did the guy she was screwing, bugger off on her?
You may have misread. Though maybe I didnt clarify it well, so I added a clarification.

Anyways, she was never screwing around on me. Many posters simply jumped to that conclusion because we weren't texting as much. Despite my saying we still communicated everyday, and still had sex whenever we hung out, people jumped to the conclusion that she was creeping.

However, a couple posters correctly said that there was a lot of overthinking going on.
 
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