"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I can't help but wonder how influential I've been to some of the women in my past. It was a bit difficult to ignoring it when one of the women I dated had a baby with a new guy and gave him the same first name as me.

If that wasn't enough, there's another one that had a baby and gave him the same first name as my son.

What the hell is going on here???
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I can't help but wonder how influential I've been to some of the women in my past. It was a bit difficult to ignoring it when one of the women I dated had a baby with a new guy and gave him the same first name as me.

If that wasn't enough, there's another one that had a baby and gave him the same first name as my son.

What the hell is going on here???
I have been thoroughly fascinated by your high score theory ever since I first read it. Having said that can you add some color around these two women? Length of the relationship, who broke it off with who, how old they were when you dated them, etc?
 
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Length of the relationship, who broke it off with who, how old they were when you dated them, etc?
I don't think I was all that high on their lists, but it's anybody's guess...

Girl who used my first name:
Age: 19
Single Mom of one
Dated her a few times
Didn't fvck her because I was going through my first herpes outbreak which lasted a month. Didn't want to pass it on to her. She did express her desire to have sex, but I just kinda let the whole thing fizzle out.

Girl who used my kid's first name:
Age: 23
Single mom of one
Dated her for 1 1/2 months. She was a fvcking nympho in bed. Our usual routine was fvcking 4 times a night and once again in the morning. She ended it. Her reasoning was that I took her to one of my favourite hang outs (where I had mad social proof) and she said it was a "relationship kind of thing to do, and she wasn't interested in a relationship". In reality, I think she was fvcking another dude on the side. She wouldn't see me more than once a week, and I had met her on an online dating site.

These aren't good candidates for relationships, so I wasn't pursuing one with either of them. They both had kids from previous guys, so I have a hard time believing that I was high up on their list. However, I can't read minds, so they're the only ones who know where I sit on their list. Regardless, there were no obvious signs that I was at the top.

Also, it doesn't matter who ends the relationship. Women will do what feels right in that particular moment, although they may regret their decision for the rest of their lives.
 

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I don't think I was all that high on their lists, but it's anybody's guess...

Girl who used my first name:
Age: 19
Single Mom of one
Dated her a few times
Didn't fvck her because I was going through my first herpes outbreak which lasted a month. Didn't want to pass it on to her. She did express her desire to have sex, but I just kinda let the whole thing fizzle out.

Girl who used my kid's first name:
Age: 23
Single mom of one
Dated her for 1 1/2 months. She was a fvcking nympho in bed. Our usual routine was fvcking 4 times a night and once again in the morning. She ended it. Her reasoning was that I took her to one of my favourite hang outs (where I had mad social proof) and she said it was a "relationship kind of thing to do, and she wasn't interested in a relationship". In reality, I think she was fvcking another dude on the side. She wouldn't see me more than once a week, and I had met her on an online dating site.

These aren't good candidates for relationships, so I wasn't pursuing one with either of them. They both had kids from previous guys, so I have a hard time believing that I was high up on their list. However, I can't read minds, so they're the only ones who know where I sit on their list. Regardless, there were no obvious signs that I was at the top.

Also, it doesn't matter who ends the relationship. Women will do what feels right in that particular moment, although they may regret their decision for the rest of their lives.
Again, I'm very fascinated by all this. People are f*cking crazy
 

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Ha ha, this thread makes me wonder if my ex is delusional enough to think the same thing, lol.
My kid has my ex's name too... But my kid is actually named after my father, not my ex. I just happened to date a man with the same name as my dad.

Even funnier, if child #2 was a boy, I was going to name him after my grandfather....LMAO, the name of another ex!! But zero connection to an ex, meant to honor the important men in my life.

I suppose if your name is really unique you could surmise there is a connection. Maybe not with John, Mike, David, Brian, etc.

Wow, I could totally see my exes being this delusional, lol
 
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Ha ha, this thread makes me wonder if my ex is delusional enough to think the same thing, lol.
My kid has my ex's name too... But my kid is actually named after my father, not my ex. I just happened to date a man with the same name as my dad.

Even funnier, if child #2 was a boy, I was going to name him after my grandfather....LMAO, the name of another ex!! But zero connection to an ex, meant to honor the important men in my life.

I suppose if your name is really unique you could surmise there is a connection. Maybe not with John, Mike, David, Brian, etc.

Wow, I could totally see my exes being this delusional, lol
"Ha ha"
"is delusional"
"Even funnier"
"Wow"

Sounds like you're trying really hard to downplay something.
 

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"Ha ha"
"is delusional"
"Even funnier"
"Wow"

Sounds like you're trying really hard to downplay something.
hmmm, your reply could be interpreted one of may ways... I feel as if I try to respond based on my personal interpretation I will probably miss your intended message.

Suffice it to say, the post made me remember that my one kid, was named after an ex.... but not, and my second kid almost went that route....but not really.

I can totally look back and see where I have few exe's, namely these two, where I SMH every time I recall them and think "I dated that?" I'm sure we all can, right?

I wont label my ex's narcissistic, because im not a shrink, but they seem to have some tendencies in that direction. This is why I could totally see them thinking the same thing "wow, she dug me so much she named her kid after me". It just made me chuckle when I thought about the potential for that scenario.

Did they emotionally affect me, hell yea they did, they were total d1cks and I feel stupid for giving them time in my life. Waste of time. Kinda like you guys and your BPD chicks, most of you look back and SMH eventually.
 

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hmmm, your reply could be interpreted one of may ways... I feel as if I try to respond based on my personal interpretation I will probably miss your intended message.

Suffice it to say, the post made me remember that my one kid, was named after an ex.... but not, and my second kid almost went that route....but not really.

I can totally look back and see where I have few exe's, namely these two, where I SMH every time I recall them and think "I dated that?" I'm sure we all can, right?

I wont label my ex's narcissistic, because im not a shrink, but they seem to have some tendencies in that direction. This is why I could totally see them thinking the same thing "wow, she dug me so much she named her kid after me". It just made me chuckle when I thought about the potential for that scenario.

Did they emotionally affect me, hell yea they did, they were total d1cks and I feel stupid for giving them time in my life. Waste of time. Kinda like you guys and your BPD chicks, most of you look back and SMH eventually.
This pragmatic, rational attitude you're using to mask normal human emotion (which STILL bleeds through in your writing even though you've done your best to cover it up which ironically is what gives it away) and bonding about the feelings you have towards former significant others is simply a reflection of women's unlimited number of options available to them. If it weren't for that, you'd be giving your former loves their proper due in the naming of your two children.
 

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I know how i influenced a woman i got the V card from. She turned into a hoe.
How do i know? We met one time and she told me she got tons of experience from me .
 

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This pragmatic, rational attitude you're using to mask normal human emotion (which STILL bleeds through in your writing even though you've done your best to cover it up which ironically is what gives it away) and bonding about the feelings you have towards former significant others is simply a reflection of women's unlimited number of options available to them. If it weren't for that, you'd be giving your former loves their proper due in the naming of your two children.
you've got it ALL wrong. There is one man on my 'high score' list. I know who he is. He's now bat sh1t crazy. I still care about him, I dont want him and I sure as he!! dodged a bullet!
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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you've got it ALL wrong. There is one man on my 'high score' list. I know who he is. He's now bat sh1t crazy. I still care about him, I dont want him and I sure as he!! dodged a bullet!

This pragmatic, rational attitude you're using to mask normal human emotion (which STILL bleeds through in your writing even though you've done your best to cover it up which ironically is what gives it away) and bonding about the feelings you have towards former significant others is simply a reflection of women's unlimited number of options available to them.
 

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This pragmatic, rational attitude you're using to mask normal human emotion (which STILL bleeds through in your writing even though you've done your best to cover it up which ironically is what gives it away) and bonding about the feelings you have towards former significant others is simply a reflection of women's unlimited number of options available to them.
you're seriously behaving in such a humorus manner right now
 

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Maybe you and your sons have nice names.
 

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Ha ha, this thread makes me wonder if my ex is delusional enough to think the same thing, lol.
My kid has my ex's name too... But my kid is actually named after my father, not my ex. I just happened to date a man with the same name as my dad.

Even funnier, if child #2 was a boy, I was going to name him after my grandfather....LMAO, the name of another ex!! But zero connection to an ex, meant to honor the important men in my life.

I suppose if your name is really unique you could surmise there is a connection. Maybe not with John, Mike, David, Brian, etc.

Wow, I could totally see my exes being this delusional, lol
delusional, yep a lot of em are ;)

This pragmatic, rational attitude you're using to mask normal human emotion (which STILL bleeds through in your writing even though you've done your best to cover it up which ironically is what gives it away) and bonding about the feelings you have towards former significant others is simply a reflection of women's unlimited number of options available to them. If it weren't for that, you'd be giving your former loves their proper due in the naming of your two children.
/facepalm
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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