"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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This, gentlemen, is an all-time loser

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http://yahoo.match.com/y/article.aspx?articleid=12986

I went to bat for her engagement ring

“My girlfriend and I had been together for about three years, and I was sure she was the one I wanted to marry. Problem was, I didn’t exactly have enough money to get her a good engagement ring. So, in order to raise funds, I put my collection of baseball trading cards on eBay. We’re talking a collection that spanned, like, 20 years, thanks to some cards handed down by my dad. I was totally bummed to part with them because they were so important to me, but I really, really loved this girl. I ended up making more than enough money to pay for a ring. Problem was, when I got down on one knee, she told me that she couldn’t see spending the rest of her life with me. I should’ve stuck with Shoeless Joe Jackson.”

— Owen, 26, Chagrin Falls, OH
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Hope he can at least return the ring. Another guy in that article had a chick's name tatted on his arm...idiot.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
Aren't baseball cards nearly worthless, anyway? He is at least a loser at investing.
It just depends. Older baseball cards can be worth quite a bit. Back then it was really only Topps that made baseball cards. When I was a kid, most boys my age collected baseball cards. I was in middle school from 90-92. This was the heyday of baseball card collecting and around the time a lot of Boomer Dads became aware that their own collections were worth quite a bit. What ended up happening is that everybody tried to get into the game. In addition to Topps, you also had Donruss, Fleer, Upper Deck, Score, Bowman, etc. The market was just flooded with supply. A Mickey Mantle rookie card in pristine condition is a pretty rare find and probably worth quite a bit. Not many were made, and those that people had them, they didn't have this idea that one day a Mickey Mantle card would be worth a lot of money, so they didn't put it in a protective sleeve or case or whatever. As a kid I would take my cards out and organize them relentlessly, play with them. They didn't go into a storage unit or closet. A Ken Griffey Jr rookie card in pristine condition, on the other hand, there's just tons of those still around, so not worth quite as much. People bought those expecting to be able to finance their kid's college education 15 years later, so they were immediately put into protective sleeves and cases. There's LOTS of baseball cards in pristine condition from the late 80's/early 90's.

Also, in the late 80's/early 90's people were getting into it with the idea that cards were going to collect in value, and so many more cards from many more manufacturers were made to keep up with the increasing demand. When my dad and uncles collected cards as kids in the fifties and sixties, it was just a hobby and not nearly as many cards were manufactured. Basically supply/demand glut.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Also, you don't propose to a woman unless you know for sure she's going to say yes. You've discussed marriage and made sure you're on the same page before you get a ring and propose. The guy's an idiot if he never discussed marriage in depth with her. If he did and she led him to believe that she would say yes to a proposal, then she's a b*tch.
 

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the guy did a dumb@$$ thing, yeah but I wouldn't call him a loser. naive? he!! yes!!! if the girl doesn't see herself marrying this guy then why the G*d d@mn he!! do you date his @$$ for three mother fvcking years you STUPID b!tch c*nt!?!? i mean mother fvcking Christ! this is the kind of sh!t that burns my @$$ up. dating for 3 months, or a year, then yeah I can see where she maybe isn't ready for all that marriage stuff but when you're with someone 3 fvcking years it kind of gives them the impression that "hey maybe we should take the next step, otherwise i'm in some dead end relationship i should get out of and go somewhere else

women talk about wanting commitment.:crackup: with stories like this, good luck at some wh0re getting ME to commit.
 

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Robert28 said:
the guy did a dumb@$$ thing, yeah but I wouldn't call him a loser. naive? he!! yes!!! if the girl doesn't see herself marrying this guy then why the G*d d@mn he!! do you date his @$$ for three mother fvcking years you STUPID b!tch c*nt!?!? i mean mother fvcking Christ! this is the kind of sh!t that burns my @$$ up. dating for 3 months, or a year, then yeah I can see where she maybe isn't ready for all that marriage stuff but when you're with someone 3 fvcking years it kind of gives them the impression that "hey maybe we should take the next step, otherwise i'm in some dead end relationship i should get out of and go somewhere else

women talk about wanting commitment.:crackup: with stories like this, good luck at some wh0re getting ME to commit.
You know, I have a hard time thinking that the guy was dumb enough to go through with this process of raising money for an engagement ring and propose without ever having some kind of in-depth discussion about marriage with his girlfriend. It's just basic common sense that on something of the magnitude of choosing a life partner, you'd be pretty damn sure you're going to get a Yes to your proposal. I wouldn't call him a loser either. Unlucky for sure, but not a loser. What was the girlfriend waiting for? Why didn't she dump him? It took three years and a marriage proposal for her to get the clarity that she didn't want to spend the rest of her life with this guy?
 

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We all do stupid **** and this is a perfect example of what not to do. Hopefully he learns from this. Otherwise, he would really then be a loser.
 

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Findog said:
It just depends. Older baseball cards can be worth quite a bit. Back then it was really only Topps that made baseball cards. When I was a kid, most boys my age collected baseball cards. I was in middle school from 90-92. This was the heyday of baseball card collecting and around the time a lot of Boomer Dads became aware that their own collections were worth quite a bit. What ended up happening is that everybody tried to get into the game. In addition to Topps, you also had Donruss, Fleer, Upper Deck, Score, Bowman, etc. The market was just flooded with supply. A Mickey Mantle rookie card in pristine condition is a pretty rare find and probably worth quite a bit. Not many were made, and those that people had them, they didn't have this idea that one day a Mickey Mantle card would be worth a lot of money, so they didn't put it in a protective sleeve or case or whatever. As a kid I would take my cards out and organize them relentlessly, play with them. They didn't go into a storage unit or closet. A Ken Griffey Jr rookie card in pristine condition, on the other hand, there's just tons of those still around, so not worth quite as much. People bought those expecting to be able to finance their kid's college education 15 years later, so they were immediately put into protective sleeves and cases. There's LOTS of baseball cards in pristine condition from the late 80's/early 90's.

Also, in the late 80's/early 90's people were getting into it with the idea that cards were going to collect in value, and so many more cards from many more manufacturers were made to keep up with the increasing demand. When my dad and uncles collected cards as kids in the fifties and sixties, it was just a hobby and not nearly as many cards were manufactured. Basically supply/demand glut.
I had a similar experience, as we are about the same age. When Mark McGuire broke the home run record in 1998, I dug through my tupperware box to find the few cards of his I had and then looked up the increase in value, which was substantial. They had risen from fifty cents to $5 :) I didn't continue tracking the value after everyone found out he was on steroids. It's probably closer to 50 cents again.

It is a good lesson about collecting and supply versus demand. Most items that are mass produced as "collectibles" end up worthless. I hope the guy in the OP had a crappy collection, which didn't bring much money and he could only buy a cheap ring, which was the real reason she said no. Avoiding such a wife would be worth more than any collection of anything.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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