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The Count
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The guys with potential will listen to the wise words I have posted. The ones who *DON'T* get it will continue on the same dead-end path...
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
knglerxt
Senior Don Juan
I agree with everything you said except the loser part. Just because a guy has problems meeting and forming relationships with girls doesn't mean he's a loser.
organizedconfusion
Master Don Juan
most won't understand how you come off being such an authoritan on the subject coming on here like some big swingy d!ck acting as if the site owes you some sort of reconition for your eye opening epiphany.The Count said:The guys with potential will listen to the wise words I have posted. The ones who *DON'T* get it will continue on the same dead-end path...
Anyone in the right mind would obviously be able to balance it out between KBDJing and being out in the real world. It's a no brainer :woo:
Fenderules
Master Don Juan
i agree to a certain extent. this place can makes things "2 comfortable".
but i think it still brings more good then harm. If you spend hours on here all the time, that is no good. I could see reading up on the bible, since there is a lot of advice.
when i first came here a few years ago, my life was in ruins. I was still in highschool, and always made fun of. My life was a living hell. chicks would play there mind games with me all the time and had fun doing so. I'd get my stuff stolen, i had no friends and spent my weekends on the computer doing nothing but playing games and wishing i never existed.
when i came to this site, a lot of the information i read. At the time i didnt do much with it, but I at least knew when girls were pulling my legs, so i could bail out. when i was afc and emo, i really did not know what the hell i was doing. I thought sweet talking them and being really nice would get me somwhere, when in fact it just turns me into a creep.
That hell hole went on for 3 years of my life. It only got worse as time went on. I managed to make some friends but none the less my life was still pretty crappy.
Finally even after highschool, i was so devastated, i did not trust anybody at all. I was always on the defensive all the time. I still got ravaged and made fun of.
I always blamed myself all the time. Then i realized something, the problem was not always me. I am very hard on myself and over critical, which it appears many of you here are the same as well, analying every detail you do.
STOP IT NOW! who gives a ****.
Finally i'v gotten so frusrtated that i said F8ck it and became more of an a-hole then ever. I dress how i want when i want, and dont care if i fit in. I just do it. I act like i want, when i want, i dont care what people think. If im gonna swear, im gonna swear.
and you know, it feels a lot better knowing people dont have control over me. Im not afraid to look at women and check them out. Im not afraid to give more of a "sexual" side with women either. If i think they are hot, im gonna let them know, and not overdue it either.
People dont take advantage of me as well. when i see them pulling something i call it on them. It is not because im a hard ass, because im not. I'v become extremely outgoing and make friends with the most intimidating people. Wheather its some big bouncer or some biker. So if im in a bar, i make friends with a lot of people. It also helps because the chicks lower the ***** shields eayway.
Its funny because i tried going to the clubbing all the time and stuff, but thats not my thing. Im more of a rocker and a metal head some very comfortable in that setting. NTM people are WAY nicer
but i think it still brings more good then harm. If you spend hours on here all the time, that is no good. I could see reading up on the bible, since there is a lot of advice.
when i first came here a few years ago, my life was in ruins. I was still in highschool, and always made fun of. My life was a living hell. chicks would play there mind games with me all the time and had fun doing so. I'd get my stuff stolen, i had no friends and spent my weekends on the computer doing nothing but playing games and wishing i never existed.
when i came to this site, a lot of the information i read. At the time i didnt do much with it, but I at least knew when girls were pulling my legs, so i could bail out. when i was afc and emo, i really did not know what the hell i was doing. I thought sweet talking them and being really nice would get me somwhere, when in fact it just turns me into a creep.
That hell hole went on for 3 years of my life. It only got worse as time went on. I managed to make some friends but none the less my life was still pretty crappy.
Finally even after highschool, i was so devastated, i did not trust anybody at all. I was always on the defensive all the time. I still got ravaged and made fun of.
I always blamed myself all the time. Then i realized something, the problem was not always me. I am very hard on myself and over critical, which it appears many of you here are the same as well, analying every detail you do.
STOP IT NOW! who gives a ****.
Finally i'v gotten so frusrtated that i said F8ck it and became more of an a-hole then ever. I dress how i want when i want, and dont care if i fit in. I just do it. I act like i want, when i want, i dont care what people think. If im gonna swear, im gonna swear.
and you know, it feels a lot better knowing people dont have control over me. Im not afraid to look at women and check them out. Im not afraid to give more of a "sexual" side with women either. If i think they are hot, im gonna let them know, and not overdue it either.
People dont take advantage of me as well. when i see them pulling something i call it on them. It is not because im a hard ass, because im not. I'v become extremely outgoing and make friends with the most intimidating people. Wheather its some big bouncer or some biker. So if im in a bar, i make friends with a lot of people. It also helps because the chicks lower the ***** shields eayway.
Its funny because i tried going to the clubbing all the time and stuff, but thats not my thing. Im more of a rocker and a metal head some very comfortable in that setting. NTM people are WAY nicer
I think the DJ bible is an interesting read, but I'd say the only stuff thats worth knowing you could read within a few threads, and that be that, I used it to discover where I was ****ing up, when I was hopeless with chicks, and it took me maybe a few hours, I havn't really looked at it since, nor do I refer back to it. I'm naturally ****y and funny with every one i meet, and i've learned where I used to **** up, so my success now is pretty good.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Perhaps but the credibility factor may drop because someone chose to create a new account to post this instead of using their regular account. Makes you wonder what he's afraid of.KarmaSutra said:Count Choc is blunt but he has a point . . .
I agree with elements of the original post but over analysing was a problem for me long before I came here. I really was a complete loser when I first stumbled accross this site. I didn't know anything about women, had oneitis and placed every woman on a pedestal.
There are things I don't agree with on here. I've never been particularly interested in canned lines, routines, challenges or boot camps. At times this place has even been a way of avoiding real life, 'I'll only go out once I've read the bible completely'...etc but I realised today that every element of my interactions with women - or anyone for that matter have been learnt from this place.
My personality and sense of humour have developed greatly since coming here. I have met people and taken risks I never would have all because of this site.
What I'm trying to say is that this site has given me so much and if there was no DJ Bible i'd dread to think where I'd be now. Probably depressed and alone or with some horrible using bint.
There are things I don't agree with on here. I've never been particularly interested in canned lines, routines, challenges or boot camps. At times this place has even been a way of avoiding real life, 'I'll only go out once I've read the bible completely'...etc but I realised today that every element of my interactions with women - or anyone for that matter have been learnt from this place.
My personality and sense of humour have developed greatly since coming here. I have met people and taken risks I never would have all because of this site.
What I'm trying to say is that this site has given me so much and if there was no DJ Bible i'd dread to think where I'd be now. Probably depressed and alone or with some horrible using bint.
The Count said:It's going down Titanic style.
I've never seen so much over-analyzing in one forum. Approach journals, 50 hellos, etc. Give me a break, that's weak. The real problem in here is simple - most of the people in here are LOSERS. It's the honest truth. They sit on their PC's every weekend eating Cheetos and drinking soda, and they wonder why they don't have a girlfriend. They wonder why the guy with a car and a job has a pretty girl. It's not rocket science people. Maybe if most of you weren't shut-ins, you'd have better success. Take a normal guy for example. He sees a hot girl in the checkout lane and thinks "Damn I'm going in her line." Take the guy from this site and what happens? Nothing. The knees start to buckle instantly. He's so used to the comforts of World of Warcraft he can't fathom the idea of standing next to an attractive female. Here's a friendly hint - forget the "DJ Bible". It's composed by a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks who have the same phobia you do.
You people would rather analyze the looks/personality debate all night than trying to go outside in the real world and ask a girl out (which I guarantee rarely happens on the site). Someone's plane who's about to slam into the earth isn't as scared most of you guys.
Stop writing down your approaches. Stop reading the Bible. It's just increasing your anxiety. Take a big league hitter who's struggling at the plate. What's happening? He's thinking too much, he's not having fun. Remember that.
I have to go feed my bats. Ah-ah-ah...
Agreed. And that is why I stopped visiting this forum.
I only stop by every now and then (maybe once a month).
:cheer:Well, whoever you were before you got banned, welcome back.
Yay! Don Juan Forever is back!
Heh, just a guess, I dunno. I think the holier-than-thou attitude betrays him.
Rock_Solid
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I guess when he's referring to the "50 hello's approach journal" he's talking about week one of boot camp...which i just completed.
He says people who make journals like that are losers...so he's basically calling me a loser...gahhaha
It's week one of the boot camp bud, it's supposed to be easy.:rock:
He says people who make journals like that are losers...so he's basically calling me a loser...gahhaha
It's week one of the boot camp bud, it's supposed to be easy.:rock:
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
thickandcreamy
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The guys here are by and large desperate and clueless. Some of them are genuinely trying to improve their lives. But overall, it's like the blind leading the blind. Everyone is just going around in circles. Really, the only useful resource here is the DJ Bible. And it's not state of the art. It probably never was, to begin with. Take a look at some useful docs however, such as:
1. Weapons of Mass Seduction
2. Gunwitch's original posts on "lone wolves".
3. The Boot Camp is not bad if you are truly clueless about having conversations with women.
After reading just those three and going on a bootcamp, there's better resources such as Juggler or maybe Mystery's book. By and large 99% of the threads and posts are useless here.
Thick
1. Weapons of Mass Seduction
2. Gunwitch's original posts on "lone wolves".
3. The Boot Camp is not bad if you are truly clueless about having conversations with women.
After reading just those three and going on a bootcamp, there's better resources such as Juggler or maybe Mystery's book. By and large 99% of the threads and posts are useless here.
Thick
You have a point. However, I think this place is fine in moderation. If you go out and talk to a bunch of girls, then report back here every so often then thats fine (I think/hope thats what most people here do). Where people go awry is when they have spent more time reading posts than talking to girls. Analyzing situations really can help people understand and fix mistakes though.The Count said:It's going down Titanic style.
I've never seen so much over-analyzing in one forum. Approach journals, 50 hellos, etc. Give me a break, that's weak. The real problem in here is simple - most of the people in here are LOSERS. It's the honest truth. They sit on their PC's every weekend eating Cheetos and drinking soda, and they wonder why they don't have a girlfriend. They wonder why the guy with a car and a job has a pretty girl. It's not rocket science people. Maybe if most of you weren't shut-ins, you'd have better success. Take a normal guy for example. He sees a hot girl in the checkout lane and thinks "Damn I'm going in her line." Take the guy from this site and what happens? Nothing. The knees start to buckle instantly. He's so used to the comforts of World of Warcraft he can't fathom the idea of standing next to an attractive female. Here's a friendly hint - forget the "DJ Bible". It's composed by a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks who have the same phobia you do.
You people would rather analyze the looks/personality debate all night than trying to go outside in the real world and ask a girl out (which I guarantee rarely happens on the site). Someone's plane who's about to slam into the earth isn't as scared most of you guys.
Stop writing down your approaches. Stop reading the Bible. It's just increasing your anxiety. Take a big league hitter who's struggling at the plate. What's happening? He's thinking too much, he's not having fun. Remember that.
I have to go feed my bats. Ah-ah-ah...
Could you go a little more into what you are saying? Do you have any constructive advice for people?
PRMoon
Master Don Juan
Mmmmmmm cheetos gahhhhh.The Count said:It's going down Titanic style.
I've never seen so much over-analyzing in one forum. Approach journals, 50 hellos, etc. Give me a break, that's weak. The real problem in here is simple - most of the people in here are LOSERS. It's the honest truth. They sit on their PC's every weekend eating Cheetos and drinking soda, and they wonder why they don't have a girlfriend. They wonder why the guy with a car and a job has a pretty girl. It's not rocket science people. Maybe if most of you weren't shut-ins, you'd have better success. Take a normal guy for example. He sees a hot girl in the checkout lane and thinks "Damn I'm going in her line." Take the guy from this site and what happens? Nothing. The knees start to buckle instantly. He's so used to the comforts of World of Warcraft he can't fathom the idea of standing next to an attractive female. Here's a friendly hint - forget the "DJ Bible". It's composed by a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks who have the same phobia you do.
You people would rather analyze the looks/personality debate all night than trying to go outside in the real world and ask a girl out (which I guarantee rarely happens on the site). Someone's plane who's about to slam into the earth isn't as scared most of you guys.
Stop writing down your approaches. Stop reading the Bible. It's just increasing your anxiety. Take a big league hitter who's struggling at the plate. What's happening? He's thinking too much, he's not having fun. Remember that.
I have to go feed my bats. Ah-ah-ah...
I love vegas. Even if i didn't have any game i'd still score big cause it's just that easy here. this site entertains me to no end!
Remulak
Senior Don Juan
Although there is a lot of bullshyt on this site it also has tons of pure gold advice if you take the time to find it...Stop *****ing and realize how ahead you are than the average guy out there. You have information on this forum that most men never learn in a life time about women.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
omg?
how could a guy make a post trying to get other guys to leave the forum that he doesn't supposed care about?
why don't you leave? what...do you really think you are going to inspire someone to leave the forum with your ramblings?
if you aren't getting anything out of this forum, then leave it! if the other guys are losers, why do you care? that's less competition for you, who the hell said that you needed to monitor other guys on this forum, shouldn't you be coming here to learn something for yourself? if there's nothing to learn, then leave!
how could a guy make a post trying to get other guys to leave the forum that he doesn't supposed care about?
why don't you leave? what...do you really think you are going to inspire someone to leave the forum with your ramblings?
if you aren't getting anything out of this forum, then leave it! if the other guys are losers, why do you care? that's less competition for you, who the hell said that you needed to monitor other guys on this forum, shouldn't you be coming here to learn something for yourself? if there's nothing to learn, then leave!