"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Thinking of giving up

Levrone

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Seriously, I just can't pick up girls.
I don't know how. When I'm in clubs, like last night, all the girls are surrounded by guys. Yeah I know there are things about that in the bible, but thats easier said then done. I just can't do it.

This whole DJ thing, it's a very nice thought, but I think only a few people are naturally born with those skills, and another few can learn it. Most people can't, and i'm one of that. Most people get relationships through friends, or by accident.

It's something I just don't have, so i start thinking of giving up. Walking everyday on the street, looking for girls to approach, everytime in a club, looking for girls to approach... that's also i life i don't want. I think i rather being relaxed and don't look out for anyone, and die as a virgin :p
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Listen man, thats bull**** and you know it, your post sucks and you will get flamed. I know you wont give up, otherwise why would you make this post?

The only reason I answer this is because you sound like I did some time ago, I had the exact same thoughts.

Whatever is holding you back, just take my word for it that you can get over it and take that what should be yours, whatever exactly that is. Really man, I did it, I came from right were you are now to a position in which I can say Im really happy and successful in almost every way.

You dont need to, neither should you meccanicly follow the advice that people post here, most of the people that post these things are in even worse positions than you are, they also get no girls and are unhappy, but instead of admitting that to themselves they feel the need to break this stuff down as it were some theoretical subjuct, its not, the only thing that counts is what you do, talking has no merit.

Trust your feeling, you shouldnt treat women like **** for example, like it is often postet here, just be nice but dont be a pushover, why should you be? You have strength in yourself, everybody does, harness it. You, like everybody else wants thing and at the same time wants things not to happen, simply make the first happen and prevent the latter, stand up for yourself and go towards your goals, believe it or not, you do only have a limited amount of time here.

Go for it man, your not the only whos had bad times and Im not the only one whos gotten out of them.
 

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Never, ever give up. Don't allow the life to break you. I had more reasons than anyone here to give up but man **** that ****!
 

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Originally posted by Phoenix_of_the_ashes
The only reason I answer this is because you sound like I did some time ago, I had the exact same thoughts.

Whatever is holding you back, just take my word for it that you can get over it and take that what should be yours, whatever exactly that is. Really man, I did it, I came from right were you are now to a position in which I can say Im really happy and successful in almost every way.
You also had to struggle with looking out for girls everyday? I'm just tired of that, because it hasn't had a result since the day I started.

You dont need to, neither should you meccanicly follow the advice that people post here, most of the people that post these things are in even worse positions than you are, they also get no girls and are unhappy, but instead of admitting that to themselves they feel the need to break this stuff down as it were some theoretical subjuct, its not, the only thing that counts is what you do, talking has no merit.
In other words, cut the theoretical stuff, unless you practise everything in the real world. Every time I go out to a club, sit in the train, eating lunch at school I always look out for girls, that's just where I get tired of. Because it hasn't any result, i just want to put it out of my mind so I have one thing less to worry about.
 

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Originally posted by Levrone
You also had to struggle with looking out for girls everyday? I'm just tired of that, because it hasn't had a result since the day I started.


In other words, cut the theoretical stuff, unless you practise everything in the real world. Every time I go out to a club, sit in the train, eating lunch at school I always look out for girls, that's just where I get tired of. Because it hasn't any result, i just want to put it out of my mind so I have one thing less to worry about.
Yeah like I said, your orginal post could have come from me back then.

And dont pressure yourself so much with this ****, for me I had basicly given up and then boom, all the suddent everything fell into place, maybe you should give up, maybe after you stop trying you can start doing.

When you read all those methods and tactics made by frustrated keyboard jockeys you sort of forget that the actual goal, the direction in which its all supposed to go, is fun and happyness. Its not supposed to be a war.

I suggest you take some time off from this site, some of its principles are good pointers, but at your level its not going to help you to keep reading more and more stuff, itll just pull you down because itll be more and more stuff which you feel is impossible to realise. Its not, its actually all the same **** and its implementation does not depend on information, its a wall inside of you, you could theoretically break out in one second from now and start meeting nice chicks.

Its like when you start something new in school, for example math, when you look in the book for the first time it looks strange and you couldnt imagine being able to do that, but after youve understood it you feel it, then you cant understand not being able to do it anymore.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Levrone. I agree with you in that there are people who are born with it and able to learn it and there are some that cant. This is only true because people are using the wrong style that doesnt fit them. In other words, everyone can learn to do it, but they must understand themselves and pick a style that fits them where they can grow into it.

I went thru this phase where I dont know who the hell I am, cuz i was trying so many different style that it all confuse me. I am still in that phase in fact but the fog has die down alot. I am figuring out what works for me and what doesnt. Thats the key. search for a style that fits your personality.

Do some research on all the top PUA. You will be suprised many of them have a unique style to getting girls.
 

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Originally posted by Levrone
Seriously, I just can't pick up girls.
I don't know how. When I'm in clubs, like last night, all the girls are surrounded by guys. Yeah I know there are things about that in the bible, but thats easier said then done. I just can't do it.

This whole DJ thing, it's a very nice thought, but I think only a few people are naturally born with those skills, and another few can learn it. Most people can't, and i'm one of that. Most people get relationships through friends, or by accident.

It's something I just don't have, so i start thinking of giving up. Walking everyday on the street, looking for girls to approach, everytime in a club, looking for girls to approach... that's also i life i don't want. I think i rather being relaxed and don't look out for anyone, and die as a virgin :p
not everyone is an extrovert. so the clubs are NOT the best place for everyone.

perhaps you need an introverted girl.

learn to spot introverted girls. they are often reading books. you'll find them in quite places like libraries, or volunteering, etc.

its ok to be an introvert, BUT, you still have to learn to approach.

from what you said it sounds like a quiet, introverted girl is your type. so when you see those kinds of girls around (they are easy to spot, they aren't loud, they don't make their presence known, and they often avoid eye contact) just approach them.

its easy to find something about them to start a conversation on. heck, you can say something as simple as "excuse me, i just noticed your shoes and was wondering where you got them. it's my friends birthday and she'd love shoes like that."

bam, you're in.

J
 

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Re: Re: Thinking of giving up

Originally posted by joekerr31
not everyone is an extrovert. so the clubs are NOT the best place for everyone.

perhaps you need an introverted girl.

learn to spot introverted girls. they are often reading books. you'll find them in quite places like libraries, or volunteering, etc.

its ok to be an introvert, BUT, you still have to learn to approach.

from what you said it sounds like a quiet, introverted girl is your type. so when you see those kinds of girls around (they are easy to spot, they aren't loud, they don't make their presence known, and they often avoid eye contact) just approach them.

its easy to find something about them to start a conversation on. heck, you can say something as simple as "excuse me, i just noticed your shoes and was wondering where you got them. it's my friends birthday and she'd love shoes like that."

bam, you're in.

J
Ok, nice tip :)
But, if they're introvert they don't have much to say right?
 

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Originally posted by Phoenix_of_the_ashes
maybe you should give up, maybe after you stop trying you can start doing.

When you read all those methods and tactics made by frustrated keyboard jockeys you sort of forget that the actual goal, the direction in which its all supposed to go, is fun and happyness. Its not supposed to be a war.
That's what I mean. I think its a much more relaxed way of life to think.. **** it.. i don't need a girl, not looking out for anyone.

Its like when you start something new in school, for example math, when you look in the book for the first time it looks strange and you couldnt imagine being able to do that, but after youve understood it you feel it, then you cant understand not being able to do it anymore. [/B]
Hehe, if this was as easy as math I would have thousands of chicks already ;)

hehe but I got your point.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Re: Re: Re: Thinking of giving up

Originally posted by Levrone
Ok, nice tip :)
But, if they're introvert they don't have much to say right?
actually quite the opposite.

introverted /extroverted are merely social states. no one is introverted behind closed doors.

you can find the most shy introverted girl around, and after you've dated her for say three months, she's just like every other woman in the world.

people who are introverted are merely folks who are very self conscience when in public.

these are the easiest chics to get to know because as long as you are friendly and don't make them feel ackward they will love you for giving them attention. most guys just walk right pass these girls and go for the loud abnoxious types becuase they figure their chances of getting laid are better.

big mistake.
J
 

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Originally posted by Levrone
Seriously, I just can't pick up girls.
I don't know how. When I'm in clubs, like last night, all the girls are surrounded by guys. Yeah I know there are things about that in the bible, but thats easier said then done. I just can't do it.
the club is a next level you are just starting out ... when you go to a club stop thinking about picking up just go have fun

Originally posted by Levrone
This whole DJ thing, it's a very nice thought, but I think only a few people are naturally born with those skills, and another few can learn it. Most people can't, and i'm one of that. Most people get relationships through friends, or by accident.
I was shy guy ... trust me I CHANGED by 99% ! Start hanging out with DJ's ... watch and learn.

Originally posted by Levrone
It's something I just don't have, so i start thinking of giving up. Walking everyday on the street, looking for girls to approach, everytime in a club, looking for girls to approach... that's also i life i don't want. I think i rather being relaxed and don't look out for anyone, and die as a virgin :p
It will take time ... it aint no magic pill
 

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Originally posted by Levrone
Seriously, I just can't pick up girls.
I don't know how. When I'm in clubs, like last night, all the girls are surrounded by guys. Yeah I know there are things about that in the bible, but thats easier said then done. I just can't do it.

This whole DJ thing, it's a very nice thought, but I think only a few people are naturally born with those skills, and another few can learn it. Most people can't, and i'm one of that. Most people get relationships through friends, or by accident.

It's something I just don't have, so i start thinking of giving up. Walking everyday on the street, looking for girls to approach, everytime in a club, looking for girls to approach... that's also i life i don't want. I think i rather being relaxed and don't look out for anyone, and die as a virgin :p
Go hit the gym for 6 months, go on Anthony Ellis's Bulking/Cutting plan or DIESEL's Bulk/Cut threads. After this 6 month if you are comfortable with the regimen STICK WITH IT for the rest of your life. Discipline yourself. If you are physically more fit your esteem levels shoots up and embrace your god given testosterone.

If you have glasses get contacts, they are not that much more expensive than glasses, yes it requires more maintainence but it is worth it. Especially useful if you are weight training

During this period work on your conversation skills with PEOPLE IN GENERAL (not girls only but ANYONE and EVERYONE). Make new friends, cold talk to approachable strangers. Once you learn to be comfortable in your skin, only then can you even try any of these things with girls.

I was a textbook nerd/geek AFC in high school, I learned it like this, you have to be comfortable in your own skin in general before you can jump that next level. It's not some magic pill you take, you need to commit to it for 1-2 years or more to really get it down well. 6 months or more before you get "some" (which is not enough) results - depending on your physical condition.
 
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