These seduction masters (ie. Mystery, Ross Jeffries, David DeAngelo, etc)

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I've been reading Neil Strauss' book The Game recently and hearing all the stories about the master seductions. I've also researched a lot of thier philosophies and methods, reading e-books and watching DVDs of seminars, etc. I am eager to absorb everything I can.

Although I agree that NLP is a legitimate strategy for self-improvement (I have used it's techniques on many occasions myself), I'm just not sold on it being used in the seduction and dating world. Surely the guys these masters teach to pick-up women (not to mention the masters themselves) are not very good looking guys. If they were reasonably good looking guys, then they would not require all of these NLP-style mind tricks. The skill in seduction is merely having the confidence to approach a girl and start speaking to her. These guys have low self-esteem and so they practice these techniques and patterns to feel comfortable (as if they have some secret recipe or invisible backer) when they make approaches.

I think the idea is simply that they are given a new-found confidence to approach women because they have been given all these patterns and routines to use. This is a perfectly viable way to encourage these guys to make approaches in the first place, so I certainly don't disagree with guys like Ross Jeffries' methods in harboring this new confidence in these men.

The NLP tricks are great talking points with a woman and a way to bridge that gap between the spotting of the beautiful woman and the bedding of her. There's no mind-**** occurring in most cases, simply confidence being radiated successfully by the man. If NLP patterns are what is needed to give the men that confidence, then it's a legitimate form of field technique.

 

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Yea, it all comes down to TRUE confidence....not the temporary kind where u feel a boost...but when u have come to terms with the fact that all girls won't be attracted to u, been going out in the field and eventually get results for yourself. pretty much being ur highest self assured, charming self.

 

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I've been reading Neil Strauss' book The Game

If they were reasonably good looking guys, then they would not require all of these NLP-style mind tricks. The skill in seduction is merely having the confidence to approach a girl and start speaking to her. These guys have low self-esteem and so they practice these techniques and patterns to feel comfortable (as if they have some secret recipe or invisible backer) when they make approaches.

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You're not serious, are you? So all there is to seduction is to go approach a girl and start speaking to her? If that was the case, Allen Thompson would not be making money off of this site, as there would not be enough people posting,

"I got the number, what do I do next?"
"She wont return my calls"
"She won't put out"
"She only gives me oral, but no sex"
"She turns cold"
"Should I gangi her a$$?"
"How do I get out of the friends zone
"When should I kiss her"
"I told her I want a relationship, but I haven't even kissed her"
"She's classy and different. Please help!"
"She cancelled, what should I do?"
"Can I get your number instead?"
"I'm in love with my roomate, and I texted her at 4am"
"How do I ask gym hottie out on a date?"
"Should I go out with girl and her friends?"


All of those, and hundreds of other situations all happen after the initial approach.

Opening, starting conversation is just a fraction of the surface to this game of seduction. Approaching is like opening a can of worms. You have only begun to deal with all the aspects of the game. To get from approaching to penetration during sexual intercourse, there are a lot of steps. And this forum is all about dealing with all of that.

Most people here get in trouble once they start opening their mouth and speaking to a woman. And it just goes downhill from there. If it was just the approach, most here would be great with the ladies, and would be getting layed like rock stars.

Being good with women is a skillset, just like any othe skill set, it is learned and it is improved by practicing and getting comfortable. Every one who is the best at what they do, is always practicing. NOT JUST THE BEST WHO HAPPEN TO HAVE LOW SELF ESTEEM.

Based on your statement, no good looking guy should have trouble or need any help with anything because you don't need game to approach, since game is just having the confidence to approach. That would mean that every single person that posts here and asks for advice is ugly. Because only when you are ugly, do you need openers and routines and learn techniques. Like I said:

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