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It's simply a result of a gynocentric, feminine-primary society. This equals weak fathers who don't teach their son's how to be men. Even worse, men who are raised in a single mother household basically grow up as female-minded men.What concerns me is how this was the common denominator in any ltr I've had.
Never obvious at first.
I grew up in a close nuclear family and often appreciated when the boyfriend was close to their family, including mother, as well.
I need to meditate at which point the truth was revealed; at what point in the relationship did I discover how tightly The Mother controlled them and also to meditate if I am attracting this on purpose.
What a terribly long road I have ahead of me in getting better satisfaction from an ltr if indeed I'm a domineering woman. Yikes.
I think the results of Feminism speaks for itself. It hasn't resulted in fraternity, it has resulted in an almost complete alienation of the sexes.awww, that's what I've been thinking the last couple of years too.
Its just easier to be more feminine so why not be simp or trans.
What about that line by G. Greer that's quoted in some song.......
"The opposite of Patriarchy isn't Matriarchy, its fraternity and I think its women that are going to have to break the spiral of power and find the trick, to cooperation."
What do you think Pan? Is it do-able? Can some of the skills and character traits women have developed in f*ism in the last century, be useful enough to retain in some way for cooperation to create not a patriarchy but instead a fraternity?
Or just no?
I agree.I think the results of Feminism speaks for itself. It hasn't resulted in fraternity, it has resulted in an almost complete alienation of the sexes.
Roosh V wrote a good article on this recently:I agree.
I was just attempting a fraternity negotiation instead of a return to patriarchy.
Did humankind ever have a fraternity?
or is that a slippery slope to com*ism economically and so not viable?
To the title of this thread I can tell you there were brief moments of a fraternal feeling with these boyfriends. Like, I could sympathise the predicaments they were in.
I feel the same with the knowledge and thoughts induced from reading on sosuave too.
I wouldn't attempt the question if I didn't think cooperation was possible.
Its just that I'm not sure of what I don't see yet.
We know patriarchy DID work.
Thanks for your time and effort in replying, appreciate it.
That was interesting imagery of the man that 'pre-eats' the apple.Roosh V wrote a good article on this recently:
In order to be with a woman, there is no sacrifice a modern man is not willing to make. He will pretend to be a feminist, travel around the world, and even feign allegiance to abortion or homosexual marriage. If a man wants a woman, and the woman professes to like something, the man will profess towww.rooshv.com
To take the metaphor - The woman was made from a man's rib, a man wasn't made from a woman's rib. She was made to be beside him in a supporting role, not beneath him and not above him. A partnership.
2parent households too...its tricky to spot right away.There is a book on the complex. The most ****d up men are in single mom household. Highly unavailable.
People stay at home longer because it is too expensive to move out. Nobody who can afford to leave usually stays.Further to this, these controlling mothers are outliving these controlled sons.
I can't think of a more important red pill to take than the one that helps a man leave his mother.
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I may have missed something. The issue is your ex-premature death at 48. Why did he die? Why are you focusing on him being a momma's boy in regards to all of this? It's tragic that he died pre-maturely period, momma's boy or not.There is a discernible difference when witnessing a man that has 'cut the umbilical cord' or not.
Tells are found :
in frequency of communication on private matters to the mother.
in frequency of time spent alone with mother in the role of surrogate husband.
in frequency of being unable to make independent decisions without consulting the mother first.
Man, I could go on and on.
Ways to tell he HAS cut the umbilical cord, regardless if he's living under the same roof would be found in the opposite of the above tells.
My shock and grief at learning about the ex's premature death at 48 promoted this post, corrector, just so you know.
The ex actually lived apart from his mother but the invisible long umbilical cord was still attached all these years since dating him first in 1994. It was a huge factor in loss of attraction.
thanks, the old anger and exasperation returned.I may have missed something. The issue is your ex-premature death at 48. Why did he die? Why are you focusing on him being a momma's boy in regards to all of this? It's tragic that he died pre-maturely period, momma's boy or not.
Iys a ****ed up situation for couples. If i am seeing a girl and her fam is attempting to be involved, I cut contact. I have seen enough to know that it won't end well.thanks, the old anger and exasperation returned.
The disappointment he wouldn't come out here(from Grimsby)
The embarassment/guilt that my faults probably drove him to his mother.
Anger that I was never chosen as a priority in relevance to any of these ex's lives over their mother's grip.
The realisation I've never really learned of independent men(alphas) or what they're like when they refuse to be gynocentrically controlled even in some small way.
Frustration and impatience, mostly, corrector.
I promised my family yesterday I would stop googling ex's names
when I realised it would have took some lady b*lls because it would have meant getting up from the parents'kitchen table and walking immediately out. Historically, I never say why I'm walking out until later. Never been that brave/honest with other's family though.Iys a ****ed up situation for couples. If i am seeing a girl and her fam is attempting to be involved, I cut contact. I have seen enough to know that it won't end well.