There is a very good chance you will never be good at this

[Matt281]

First off, I apologize for the overly pessimistic title, but I feel that it's necessary.

You see, the pickup/dating community is like any other institution in life; be it the academic community, competitive sports, or virtually any other desirable market: A select few go pro, or get rich, or become good at attracting hot women.

But the vast majority try, fail and get **** out.

Now I'm not saying this to discourage you. Quite the contrary. I just feel like I have to put this in perspective so you can understand where I'm coming from.

The fact of life is over 95% of men want to have success with women, and most of them want hot women: the same one's you are chasing. I don't mean to put this in competitive terms, but you are - quite literally - going to have to be better with women than the vast majority of men.

"Well clearly, I know that. That's why I'm here trying to learn this stuff", you say. But on some level, I think you and I both know that browsing the forums, looking for new tricks and asking for advice isn't nearly enough. In fact, if that's all you're willing to do, you will NEVER have the kind of success you want with women.

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Despite the hundreds upon hundreds of pages of theory that's out there on this topic, the answer to getting good with women is incredibly simple. Not easy, but simple.

You must go out and talk to women.

Of course you know this, but I don't think most of you quite grasp what it actually takes. Guys who find this community and actually have a ton of success with women go out every single weekend for years, and talk to hundreds and hundreds of women. If you're sitting at home, reading theory and even going out and talking to women sometimes how the fvck are you going to hang with these guys?

As much as people who are profiting from selling pickup/dating material will tell you otherwise, there are NO SHORTCUTS to learning this.

The only question is this: are you willing to put in the effort to GO OUT and talk to a ton of women? or are you willing to settle for mediocrity? As disheartening as it may sound, most of you will choose the latter.

Cheers.

 

[killahpl]

This is all absolutely true; possessing knowledge on a given topic in and of itself does little for you, doubly so if, when push comes to shove, you choose to do things that are contrary to that knowledge; it is the application of knowledge that makes the difference.

That said, I'm a bit iffy on the there being no shortcuts you advanced. I myself, at the age of 24, have talked to relatively few women, but because I had the knowledge WHICH I APPLIED, I managed to get some success with women; now I hadn't had that knowledge, I would just keep trying to do the logical thing, being supper nice to them, and MAYBE at some point it would occur to me to try something different, but the likelihood is high that I would've just said, this isn't for me, and given up on women.

 

[Blank]

The fact of life is over 95% of men want to have success with women, and most of them want hot women: the same one's you are chasing.

Statistically speaking, their are more women on Earth then men. According to the Kinsey reports, 10% of the male population is gay. Hundreds of thousands of men are in jail.

So immediately you're wrong, this is not a fact of life.

As much as people who are profiting from selling pickup/dating material will tell you otherwise, there are NO SHORTCUTS to learning this.

Also false, all of the big names in pick up (Mystery, Style, David D, Tyler) all preach that this takes time and practice. No one is saying there are shortcuts. Where do you get your information?

FACT: Most men have never even heard of this pick up stuff, literally none of my friends or coworkers have heard of Real Social Dynamics or Mystery Method. Even knowing about any of it is a huge advantage.

FACT: Most men (more then half) are tool bags with some sort of issues. How many of your friends really have their sh*t together mentally? The ones that do are the ones that get laid.

I think Tucker Max said it best: 10% of the guys do 90% of the ****in.

Posts like this are useless. I understand that you're trying to help but you're just regurgitating basic David D/RSD/Mystery Method material. Everyone knows you have to "Go out every weekend and approach" to get really good at this, they just don't have the balls to go do it. You're not some sort of pick up hero for posting crap like this.

Fact of the matter is, it's not even necessary to go out to bars to start getting laid and "spinning plates". I'm seeing a bunch of girls right now, all but 1 I met either from work, school or through friends. And the one that I met off of a cold approach was the hostess at a restaurant, not at a bar or club.

So many stupid misconceptions are floating around in this community, it practically poisons every noob into sucking from the start.

Just get your act together and be more social, yeah it takes time to learn but you get better. In a year I went from a loser with no social skills to getting more girls then I have time for. WITHOUT GOING OUT AND APPROACHING EVERY WEEKEND.

People need to stop over complicating this sh*t.

 

[Matt281]

Statistically speaking, their are more women on Earth then men. According to the Kinsey reports, 10% of the male population is gay. Hundreds of thousands of men are in jail.

So immediately you're wrong, this is not a fact of life.

Where did you get that info from? Most scientifcally sound studies/census survey's I've seen estimate the gay population to be about 3%.

Also, the ratio of women to men is like 5.0024243. It's incredibly close. Jail doesn't discourage (most) men from wanting women, although it obviously takes them out of the pool of eligibles.

But that's all completely beside the point: compared to the number of wanting men, there are very few young, gorgeous, emotionally stable women.

Also false, all of the big names in pick up (Mystery, Style, David D, Tyler) all preach that this takes time and practice. No one is saying there are shortcuts. Where do you get your information?

The "greats" make up a very small percentage of the sh!t that's out there, and if you follow the direct links to even some of RSD's products (like Nine Ball) there's still a whole "this is gold and will change your life" marketing spiel.

FACT: Most men have never even heard of this pick up stuff, literally none of my friends or coworkers have heard of Real Social Dynamics or Mystery Method. Even knowing about any of it is a huge advantage.

To a point. The basic information is helpful, but the vast majority of guys who are good with women figured it out without any help from the community. You learn all that stuff from just going out.

FACT: Most men (more then half) are tool bags with some sort of issues. How many of your friends really have their sh*t together mentally? The ones that do are the ones that get laid.

Ok. Most people in the community don't mentally have their sh!t together either. It's not making it any easier for them.

I think Tucker Max said it best: 10% of the guys do 90% of the ****in.

Yeah, that's the whole point of this post: decide if you want to be one of those guys.

Posts like this are useless. I understand that you're trying to help but you're just regurgitating basic David D/RSD/Mystery Method material. Everyone knows you have to "Go out every weekend and approach" to get really good at this, they just don't have the balls to go do it. You're not some sort of pick up hero for posting crap like this.

Fact of the matter is, it's not even necessary to go out to bars to start getting laid and "spinning plates". I'm seeing a bunch of girls right now, all but 1 I met either from work, school or through friends. And the one that I met off of a cold approach was the hostess at a restaurant, not at a bar or club.

So many stupid misconceptions are floating around in this community, it practically poisons every noob into sucking from the start.

Just get your act together and be more social, yeah it takes time to learn but you get better. In a year I went from a loser with no social skills to getting more girls then I have time for. WITHOUT GOING OUT AND APPROACHING EVERY WEEKEND.

As long as we're quoting the "greats":

What I’m getting at is: simply put, the best way to get a girlfriend is to have tight game…period! The best way to develop tight game is to hit the club. Period. – Ryan

Look man, I don't know why you're so bent out of shape. I'm not trying to be some "pickup hero" or in any way say that I came up with this on my own. I just thought this post was a good, simplified version of what's out there that is particularly pertinent to the people on this forum.

 

[Matt281]

@ blank - edit button isn't working, but I see the info is from the kinsey reports. Still, most estimates I've seen are around 3%.

@Kerpal - yeah I was thinking that about the baby preference thing. That's really a big deal in some asian countries. Although it's really pretty irrelevant when it comes to pickup.