"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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The whole "chase"

PapiChulo

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We just dont want to chase garbage or obsess over the object of the chase. Ha, if you guys think you never have to chase or pursue anything or anyone in life, you are in trouble. Persistence is important in any realm of life, healthy persistence that is.

That Mystery guy isnt a fraud. He is just introverted and not even enjoying himself. It is usually the folks who teach that cant do the thing, as the old saying goes ; ) I even think the women ate that sh!t up with a spoon back in 2002, soon Mystery is gonna come out that closet ten years later in 2012. Lets just wait and see.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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PapiChulo said:
We just dont want to chase garbage or obsess over the object of the chase. Ha, if you guys think you never have to chase or pursue anything or anyone in life, you are in trouble. Persistence is important in any realm of life, healthy persistence that is.

That Mystery guy isnt a fraud. He is just introverted and not even enjoying himself. It is usually the folks who teach that cant do the thing, as the old saying goes ; ) I even think the women ate that sh!t up with a spoon back in 2002, soon Mystery is gonna come out that closet ten years later in 2012. Lets just wait and see.
Of course, chase money!

"I run after money, that's why them b!tches run after me" - Curren$y
 

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PapiChulo said:
We just dont want to chase garbage or obsess over the object of the chase. Ha, if you guys think you never have to chase or pursue anything or anyone in life, you are in trouble. Persistence is important in any realm of life, healthy persistence that is.

That Mystery guy isnt a fraud. He is just introverted and not even enjoying himself. It is usually the folks who teach that cant do the thing, as the old saying goes ; ) I even think the women ate that sh!t up with a spoon back in 2002, soon Mystery is gonna come out that closet ten years later in 2012. Lets just wait and see.
That depends largely on your definition of "chase". To me, it means trying to win someone over. That's basically all it is. You are making them the prize, doing the work, seeking their approval, and trying to get them to like you. This is why you chase after them - to win them over. You are interested in them. You want them. You want them to want you. And thus, you chase. The results aren't usually favorable.

Chase, to me, doesn't mean not doing anything, and making everyone else do all the work. You just don't fight for them, or try to win them over. You don't tolerate BS, accept rejections, etc, and still fight harder for them. You can still set up dates, come in contact with them, and all that stuff. You just don't chase after them. You don't make them the prize, or show more interest than they do to you. You don't fight for them. You let them come to you, but don't make them do everything, and even reciprocate by doing things back. There's a big difference between being passive and not chasing.
 

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Yeah, sounds right to me.

Also about Mystery and the PUA figure: PUA is basically by a nature a fraudulent figure to begin with. I personally like the word "artist" in PUA and its semantic meaning that seems to be related more to "con-artist", charlatan, magician,and seducer. They are the same thing, selling something that is faux, and in this case Mystery is the man with no confidence yet trying to sell the artificial confidence, a band-aid.
 

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floydb25 said:
That depends largely on your definition of "chase". To me, it means trying to win someone over. That's basically all it is. You are making them the prize, doing the work, seeking their approval, and trying to get them to like you. This is why you chase after them - to win them over. You are interested in them. You want them. You want them to want you. And thus, you chase. The results aren't usually favorable.

Chase, to me, doesn't mean not doing anything, and making everyone else do all the work. You just don't fight for them, or try to win them over. You don't tolerate BS, accept rejections, etc, and still fight harder for them. You can still set up dates, come in contact with them, and all that stuff. You just don't chase after them. You don't make them the prize, or show more interest than they do to you. You don't fight for them. You let them come to you, but don't make them do everything, and even reciprocate by doing things back. There's a big difference between being passive and not chasing.
Exactly what I was trying to say.

The whole "winning them over" thing 99 times out of 100 ends in disaster and puts women on a pedestal.

The smart women will give you "just enough attention" to make you think you stand a chance and so they get the attention they want, but not so much where they're actually interested.

I get the impression that some guys on here, though, that isn't even the case. The woman is showing no interest whatsoever and he's chasing and looking for clues that she's interested.

To me, a woman's interest level is everything. It doesn't have to be sky high, but for me it has to be high enough where she's easy to reach, on the dates she is polite, is showing physical affection etc., for dates she doesn't flake and if she does, it's days in advance, not an hour before the date and offers to reschedule, not hot and cold. Just basic common courtesy.

And if a woman isn't showing you that, chances are she has low or no interest in you.

I totally understand the whole "wanting to prove her wrong" thing, I fell victim to it in my teens/early 20s, but it just doesn't happen. Women are either interested in you or they aren't.

A good 60-70 percent of the problems on here would go away if the guy just got a grip of himself (mentally) and moved on.

Like Rollo says "If a woman wants to sleep with you, she won't let anything get in the way." Same goes for dating. The guy usually has to do the initiating, but if the woman is interested, she will make it really, really easy for you and if she isn't, she'll come up with convenient excuses that to a smarter person would be easy to dicipher as "not interested, move on."
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Some times persistance is key. I personally feel the girl that you have to 'work' for is much more valuble than the run of the mill slut. Sluts to me are easily disposable. As in all things there are certain lenghts i'm willing to go to, to getthe girl, after a while if I havn't made any progress it's on to the next one.
 
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