The way I talk to women, esp. the hot ones:

[Mistic]

I agree with the OP 100%...people of both sexes appreciate "realness." The rest of you guys--well, have fun with your stuck up *****es.

The best attitude to have IMO is 'yeah, I'm real, I'll talk to you, we can have fun, but I don't give a damn how hot you are or who your father is, you're still on the same level as everybody else.'

True words indeed. To think of them as a "special case" is already putting them up on some sort of pedestal. Hot women aren't any more important, different, or special than anyone else.

Yes, they may think they are. And if so, it is your job to help them understand that they are not.

 

[Unprez]

however, personally im a bit more rude to the hotter ones, which goes with the view of girls being on there own planet, not a lot but a bit more reason is cuz all the 8+ are used to guys liking them, if u start talkin to them there gonna assume off the bat 'oh this guy likes me', being rude keeps there egos in check!

 

[Mistic]

however, personally im a bit more rude to the hotter ones, which goes with the view of girls being on there own planet, not a lot but a bit more reason is cuz all the 8+ are used to guys liking them, if u start talkin to them there gonna assume off the bat 'oh this guy likes me', being rude keeps there egos in check!

Right. And aren't you a little rude wit your friends at times, and others you arent trying to impress?

 

[MotownMack]

Right. And aren't you a little rude wit your friends at times, and others you arent trying to impress?

Yes, we all act different at times depending on our moods, etc. But we also very much act differently around certain groups of friends. They way I act with my hockey buddies and their g/fs is not quite the same behavior I exhibit when I go out with my doctor/lawyer friends.

The fact of the matter is you need to understand your targets frame/personality, which is pretty critical in trying to get their attention.

They way they feel about their own personal attractiveness absolutely figures into what they themselves are attracted to, how big of b!tch shield they have up, their views of the opposite sex, etc.

You are not going to get very far ignoring an HB6.5, constantly negging her, or being rude to her. She's probably used to that, and you're not going to get her attention.

Contrast that with the an HB8-10, who has a completely different frame. She's used to attention, compliments, and usually more skilled in testing men in order to weed them out.

There is cross over in many areas, but the strategies, IMO, are not exactly the same.

 

[MotownMack]

There's another point I wanted to make that's loosely related to the concept of treating HBs like you would anyone that's burned me a few times, and I thought I'd throw it out there as well.

Like most of us, I am trying to strike a balance between attracting a woman I am interested in, yet also being the "real" me.

That being said, I very much open welcome open and honest conversations with all people. Just don't do it too soon.

There have been a few occasions that a female brought some openness, honesty, and depth during the comfort phase. Nothing seriously heavy, maybe views on life or past relationships. Of course, I welcomed the opportunity to really get to know the girl, and reacted in a non judgmental fashion to her comments, and reciprocated some of my own feelings the way I would with a friend, family member, or anyone else that I was not romantically interested.

Example: Early in the comfort phase, the HB goes on to say how hard it is to find someone you really connect with. I agree with her, and confide that I've been on a lot of dates that for one reason or another didn't work out (the conversation was a little more involved, but you get the idea).

Anyway, it seemed innocent enough, and we moved on to other topics. Somewhere down the road when this minor exchange was far removed from my mind, it turns out the HB had filed this little tidbit away, and took it as a "lack" of pre-selection. As if to say, because I'd been on a number of dates that didn't work out, that I must not be "LTR" material, either because the girls saw flaws in me, or that I was unrealistic in my own expectations.

It was a silly assumption to a large degree on her part, but it still illustrates the point that you have to be careful about what you confide, because all people make assumptions of some form or another.

You don't have to sarge them for the rest of your life, but just be careful about how you handle it in the early stages.

 

[Mistic]

I will reflect on a few of your ideas. But these reflections aren't necessarily aimed at you.

Yes, we all act different at times depending on our moods, etc. But we also very much act differently around certain groups of friends. They way I act with my hockey buddies and their g/fs is not quite the same behavior I exhibit when I go out with my doctor/lawyer friends.

I used to think and act like this. But here is the problem. In which of these situations are you being your authentic self?

You see, I no longer act differently with different people, as that is "acting." I do however behave differently in different situations. If I met the same HB in two different situations, I may behave differently. But I will not treat her any differently.

The fact of the matter is you need to understand your targets frame/personality, which is pretty critical in trying to get their attention.

Well this is very text book, Mystery Method thinking. The next level is to attract and mesmerize her with your personality, and get her completely absorbed into your frame. Fvck dancing around her frame.

If I adjust my personality to be congruent with every HB I approach, I am again "acting." And every time I approach a new one, I will have to act in a different way, according to what fits with her personality. Many problems will arise from this, as it is a form of lying.

They way they feel about their own personal attractiveness absolutely figures into what they themselves are attracted to, how big of b!tch shield they have up, their views of the opposite sex, etc.

That is precisely why you strip them of this option of operating. If they understand that you aren't impressed with them, their whole system falls apart, and they have no "b!tch foundation" to stand on. You are in a sense, pulling the rug out from under their feet.

You are not going to get very far ignoring an HB6.5, constantly negging her, or being rude to her. She's probably used to that, and you're not going to get her attention.

Contrast that with the an HB8-10, who has a completely different frame. She's used to attention, compliments, and usually more skilled in testing men in order to weed them out.

All the more reason to treat her like you already know her. You will not be complimenting her and giving her excess attention.

I know these concepts may be a little difficult to understand if you are of the PUA, strategist mindset. One you exhaust yourself completely with methods and patterns and theories, you will eventually arrive here, and it will make perfect sense.

 

[Ricky]

Good stuff. I have some comments and I'll mark this for review and edit with comments later!