anonymousguy
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Hi,
I'm setting up an ULTIMATE FLAKE GUIDE! I do need your help for MORE INPUT, because I can't read ALL FLAKE GUIDES ON THIS BOARD. Let's make one instead of a billion AFC threads about this topic!
I also would like to thank all contributors which I forgot to quote. Please don't feel like I "stole" your text
Reasons why women won't show up on dates
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I know that a lot of men on this board meet their potential girlfriend with the "3 seconds rule" (or some variant that has the main principle of that rule).
There are a few outcomes on this situation:
1) you don't ask her phone number because you are not attracted to her
2) you don't ask her phone number because you feel that you needed to build up more attraction in order to get phone number.
If you met her on a party, you still have time. If it was on the bus or something, you probably won't see her again and you should "next" her.
3) you ask her phone number and you have the possibility of setting up a date
(or 4) you ****ed up! In that case, don't ask for a phone number!!)
When you have their phone number a lot of men complain that the girls flake on them. Even if they gave their number, their home address and EVERYTHING the girl STILL flakes!
A number close does not mean she's interested and if you encounter flaky behaviour, take the hint! and move on. She will get back to you if her excuse is genuine and she's really interested, so save your dignity.
Did you ever see the possible reasons?
I believe the main reason that girls flake on you is FEAR. Fear is a weapon of Mass Destruction like "Faithless" paraphrased extremely well.
Some girls explained that they wouldn't feel comfortable alone with a guy they'd met in this way and persistent calling creeps them out. If they were interested, however, they'd consider hanging out as part of a group and take it from there.
People do sometimes have genuine reasons for flaking (even if it's just a bad hair day), but if they emphasise they still want to meet, it's a good sign.
IF ALL YOU ASK FOR IS HER NUMBER, THAN YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED!
This is why I say that the number close is a waste of time. Unless it is obvious that she is into you, don't depend on the #close.
Put away the AFC BS like, "we had a good time together","she gave me a lot of eye contact", "there was tons of kino" blah, blah blah.... The only way to tell that she is into you are her actions of getting back in touch with you or going out with your right then and there. Her projecting future tense is a good sign to but it too isn't definite.
Stop thinking the #close is a goal. There's a bunch of guys in this forum that get the number and is afraid to call because they lack telephone conversation skills. I wonder why these guys even waste time with a #close.
“Tell her you wanna take her out first, then ask for a phone number. This simple change cut down the amount of phone flakes I had by a lot.” (MindOverMatter)
Focus on seeing the woman on your terms. Take her away from your current venue, if she accepts that is a good sign but still, it's not definite.
“Too much too soon is the problem here. These girls simply don't feel comfortable enough to really open up yet.” (Spike_the_Dragon)
The outcomes on this situation are:
1) She isn't attracted to you: then you should build up more attraction, but this will be impossible since she's scared of meeting you. (You creepy guy!) Perhaps she will give you a chance, but what are the odds?
Some girls give out their numbers to guys because they hate confrontation and would rather brush them off over the phone/text message or ignore their calls than to tell them to their face. Other times, guys approach them and act like they want to be friends and so the girl (in her naivety) gives out her number thinking she has made a potential friend.
2) She is attracted to you, but she's afraid of meeting with you. You probably only met her one day but she doesn't know who you are!!!
I think the reason is in case number 3 that after she gave her number, she had some time to think about you. But because she doesn't know you very well, she probably won't remember how you looked, or forgot your name or something else.
Were you Frankenstein? A stalker? A guy that just escaped out of a mental institution?
She probably doesn't remember it and she rather stays home in stead of being stuck up with a possible guy that thinks he "scored" with a girl.
How to overcome the fear of flakey women?
- You have to build a trust relationship. She needs to know you. Give a positive image.
- If you have her number, don't call her the same day. Give it at least one day. Otherwise she might think that you don't have a life and worse of all: she will smell that you are looking for a girlfriend. She might conclude that you are a desperate man (or in rude words: an AFC).
- Do you need her number? Why won't you ask her e-mailaddress? I know this worked out perfectly for me.
The advantage is that she can think about what she's going to reply to you. She has plenty of time to work out a good e-mail. If you phone her and you didn't build up enough attraction it can go too "fast" for the girl and the result might be that she will reject you instantly, even IF she was ATTRACTED to you. Her brain might have told to her: possible stalker, I'm scared, get rid of him!
Another advantage is that there is a higher chance that girls give out their emailaddress in stead of their number. If she doesn't like: she'll probably mark your emails as spam.
The disadvantage of emails are: you don't hear what she's saying. Her intonation, her voice... something like 60% of the communication goes away in an e-mail.
There's also the danger that she won't even read your e-mail and just delete it, or she will never respond to it!
The conclusion is: don't think that e-mail doesn't work, but think of the advantage AND disadvantage of it.
-You might want to consider this, when you come to call the girl you number closed, you may want to be a little more casual and suggest a group get-together rather than a date. I.e. "My friends and I will be in X club on Friday, maybe I'll see you there".
- Instead, guys do this SET UP THE DATE FIRST.
Now that you have balls and you approach, tell her you are doing whatever on whatever date, and she should meet you there or go with you, if she accepts, then you get her number....but guys if you have not read my thread, Do This And You will have puzzy coming from everywhere, then being ****y funny, being tall and handsome, or being Pook wont mean anything.....you must first connect with her....once you do that, she will begin to chase your azz...
- for the rest: I need more input from you expert Don Juans to complete my "research".
Thanks in advance,
Anonymousguy
Sources: anonymousguy (me
)
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76520&highlight=flake
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showth...62592&perpage=20&highlight=flake&pagenumber=2
I'm setting up an ULTIMATE FLAKE GUIDE! I do need your help for MORE INPUT, because I can't read ALL FLAKE GUIDES ON THIS BOARD. Let's make one instead of a billion AFC threads about this topic!
I also would like to thank all contributors which I forgot to quote. Please don't feel like I "stole" your text
Reasons why women won't show up on dates
----------------------------------------
I know that a lot of men on this board meet their potential girlfriend with the "3 seconds rule" (or some variant that has the main principle of that rule).
There are a few outcomes on this situation:
1) you don't ask her phone number because you are not attracted to her
2) you don't ask her phone number because you feel that you needed to build up more attraction in order to get phone number.
If you met her on a party, you still have time. If it was on the bus or something, you probably won't see her again and you should "next" her.
3) you ask her phone number and you have the possibility of setting up a date
(or 4) you ****ed up! In that case, don't ask for a phone number!!)
When you have their phone number a lot of men complain that the girls flake on them. Even if they gave their number, their home address and EVERYTHING the girl STILL flakes!
A number close does not mean she's interested and if you encounter flaky behaviour, take the hint! and move on. She will get back to you if her excuse is genuine and she's really interested, so save your dignity.
Did you ever see the possible reasons?
I believe the main reason that girls flake on you is FEAR. Fear is a weapon of Mass Destruction like "Faithless" paraphrased extremely well.
Some girls explained that they wouldn't feel comfortable alone with a guy they'd met in this way and persistent calling creeps them out. If they were interested, however, they'd consider hanging out as part of a group and take it from there.
People do sometimes have genuine reasons for flaking (even if it's just a bad hair day), but if they emphasise they still want to meet, it's a good sign.
IF ALL YOU ASK FOR IS HER NUMBER, THAN YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED!
This is why I say that the number close is a waste of time. Unless it is obvious that she is into you, don't depend on the #close.
Put away the AFC BS like, "we had a good time together","she gave me a lot of eye contact", "there was tons of kino" blah, blah blah.... The only way to tell that she is into you are her actions of getting back in touch with you or going out with your right then and there. Her projecting future tense is a good sign to but it too isn't definite.
Stop thinking the #close is a goal. There's a bunch of guys in this forum that get the number and is afraid to call because they lack telephone conversation skills. I wonder why these guys even waste time with a #close.
“Tell her you wanna take her out first, then ask for a phone number. This simple change cut down the amount of phone flakes I had by a lot.” (MindOverMatter)
Focus on seeing the woman on your terms. Take her away from your current venue, if she accepts that is a good sign but still, it's not definite.
“Too much too soon is the problem here. These girls simply don't feel comfortable enough to really open up yet.” (Spike_the_Dragon)
The outcomes on this situation are:
1) She isn't attracted to you: then you should build up more attraction, but this will be impossible since she's scared of meeting you. (You creepy guy!) Perhaps she will give you a chance, but what are the odds?
Some girls give out their numbers to guys because they hate confrontation and would rather brush them off over the phone/text message or ignore their calls than to tell them to their face. Other times, guys approach them and act like they want to be friends and so the girl (in her naivety) gives out her number thinking she has made a potential friend.
2) She is attracted to you, but she's afraid of meeting with you. You probably only met her one day but she doesn't know who you are!!!
I think the reason is in case number 3 that after she gave her number, she had some time to think about you. But because she doesn't know you very well, she probably won't remember how you looked, or forgot your name or something else.
Were you Frankenstein? A stalker? A guy that just escaped out of a mental institution?
She probably doesn't remember it and she rather stays home in stead of being stuck up with a possible guy that thinks he "scored" with a girl.
How to overcome the fear of flakey women?
- You have to build a trust relationship. She needs to know you. Give a positive image.
- If you have her number, don't call her the same day. Give it at least one day. Otherwise she might think that you don't have a life and worse of all: she will smell that you are looking for a girlfriend. She might conclude that you are a desperate man (or in rude words: an AFC).
- Do you need her number? Why won't you ask her e-mailaddress? I know this worked out perfectly for me.
The advantage is that she can think about what she's going to reply to you. She has plenty of time to work out a good e-mail. If you phone her and you didn't build up enough attraction it can go too "fast" for the girl and the result might be that she will reject you instantly, even IF she was ATTRACTED to you. Her brain might have told to her: possible stalker, I'm scared, get rid of him!
Another advantage is that there is a higher chance that girls give out their emailaddress in stead of their number. If she doesn't like: she'll probably mark your emails as spam.
The disadvantage of emails are: you don't hear what she's saying. Her intonation, her voice... something like 60% of the communication goes away in an e-mail.
There's also the danger that she won't even read your e-mail and just delete it, or she will never respond to it!
The conclusion is: don't think that e-mail doesn't work, but think of the advantage AND disadvantage of it.
-You might want to consider this, when you come to call the girl you number closed, you may want to be a little more casual and suggest a group get-together rather than a date. I.e. "My friends and I will be in X club on Friday, maybe I'll see you there".
- Instead, guys do this SET UP THE DATE FIRST.
Now that you have balls and you approach, tell her you are doing whatever on whatever date, and she should meet you there or go with you, if she accepts, then you get her number....but guys if you have not read my thread, Do This And You will have puzzy coming from everywhere, then being ****y funny, being tall and handsome, or being Pook wont mean anything.....you must first connect with her....once you do that, she will begin to chase your azz...
- for the rest: I need more input from you expert Don Juans to complete my "research".
Thanks in advance,
Anonymousguy
Sources: anonymousguy (me
)http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76520&highlight=flake
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showth...62592&perpage=20&highlight=flake&pagenumber=2
