The Truth about TSA Scanners

[Julius_Seizeher]

highconsciousness,

what happens when you and the other stoner conspiracy boys wake up and realize that the world kept on going without you?

 

[Alle_Gory]

Which was your point about milimeter wave scanners, originally. Do you agree, based on your last answer, that milimeter wave scanners are safe?

Yeah, they can be safe if powered low enough... but can they still see through objects if that's the case? What is the power requirement to see through thick clothing? How long is the scan, worst case scenario. Adding it all up, the power and length of exposure, how much damage can it do to a person's skin if any? It's not a simple case of saying, yeah it's safe without getting the full info from the machine.

But we're talking about the backscatter x-ray scanners which are used in airports, not millimeter waves. It's the X-Rays that I have a problem with. In some cases, they are powerful enough to penetrate the skin, not just clothing.

 

[Razor Sharp]

what happens when you and the other stoner conspiracy boys wake up and realize that the world kept on going without you?

What happens when you realize that most of the freedoms you enjoy came from people who didn't accept the status quo and made some kind of struggle against tyranny?

I can't defend highconsciousness' behavior or attitude, but you do yourself a disservice painting us all with the same stroke. Not all of us are pot-smoking loonies who come here to insult or assert our viewpoints without having a real discussion.

There is wisdom in what you say for sure. The world is what it is and really each one of us only makes so much of an impact. That knowledge should give us all a nice helping of humble pie. As they say though, evil triumphs when good men do nothing. Sometimes you just gotta do what you can, even if it seems futile or insignificant. The collective effort really does add up when enough people get involved.

It's the X-Rays that I have a problem with. In some cases, they are powerful enough to penetrate the skin, not just clothing.

If you look at some of these scans, especially the faces you can make out some of the skeletal structure. That sh*t can't be healthy. In fact they admit it's not, which is why pilots are exempt from the screening. I enjoyed watching you guys debate though, reminds me of the heated discussions we used to have in physics class.

 

[Alle_Gory]

most of the freedoms you enjoy came from people who didn't accept the status quo and made some kind of struggle against tyranny

And that's how it can be summarized.

 

[JustLurk]

Close enough to the antenna, at enough power, it can really something up. It's just not practical because of the size of the antenna.

I've heard that a lot on the net in comments about various radio events. Apparently some vets who worked with military radio antennas (Prob shortwave military) reported that birds getting too close just drop out of the sky. Similar stories about phone towers.
I thought 2.4 ghz was because it wasn't licenced so you could use it.. But you wouldn't use that for long range it would interfere with water particles and lose signal strength in an outdoor environment..

We're not talking about microwaving people or radio waving people, though. These are mm wave x rays with a small radiation dose that focuses slightly under the skin.. That seems different from just being next to a shortwave radio broadcast or the like, this isn't a broadcast but targeting, bouncing off/being absorbed, and detection of these. We can see from Jeri DIYing one of these, except with cm waves, that they have to use mm waves, and lots of it applied all around the body from the same distance, to create these high-resolution images. Is there danger? Is the possible danger outweighted by the security benefit? I think yes to danger, and no to the security benefits. I would much rather have port authority dogs instead of grope or pornoscanner... and I would actually feel safer, too. Those dogs do it in Afganistan. We have to remember the pentagon, darpa, etc tried to make a working bomb scanner after their in-use ones had various issues, failed, and sent in dogs. If they're good enough for the military they're good enough for us, and **** those pornoscanners. Of course I'm not an expert in the field of radiation but I don't see how there are much any benefits to potential risk other than an appearance of security and a violation of rights.

 

[SmoothTalker]

Alle Gory, the point is that microwaves just heat things up, that's all they do.

You can't get cooked and not feel it - it would feel like being ****ing burned alive.

As it is, I don't think people even feel any sensations of heat going through these things, which suggests the energy put out is not nearly enough to cause significant heating.

But even if it caused significant heating, your body can handle plenty of heating without any serious or permanent damage - just like you can sit in a hot tub for a few minutes and be pretty hot without damage.

 

[Alle_Gory]

As it is, I don't think people even feel any sensations of heat going through these things, which suggests the energy put out is not nearly enough to cause significant heating.

But even if it caused significant heating, your body can handle plenty of heating without any serious or permanent damage - just like you can sit in a hot tub for a few minutes and be pretty hot without damage.

The machines use backscatter x-rays which is different from microwaves. The x-rays can penetrate the skin.

I was arguing with the guy about microwaves being safe, because in reality it's not as simple as a 'yes' or 'no'. These machines DO NOT use microwaves. If they did, we'd all be safer.