"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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The truth about the 1-10 scale.

JackBauer24

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There is no 1-10. When there was a thread asking guys to show a picture of a 10, guys were disagreeing all over the place. In fact, and maybe this is because I'm pickier than most guys here, I didn't see one girl I would date or have sex with, let alone give them a 10.

Everyone has different tastes. For example, I don't like non-white women, so even the Halle Berry's or Beyonce's of the world would rate low in my book because of a complete lack of physical attraction. Other guys in here masturbate to either or both of them.

I also don't like Natalie Portman, who is considered "really hot" or a "10" to a lot of guys on this site and guys in general. To me, she is average looking, lack of curves, plain face.

Angelina Jolie, who a lot of guys in here probably masturbate to, is ugly in my book. She has a face that disgusts me and her misadventures in the media make her even more disgusting...kissing her brother, raising orphans all over the world, you get the idea.

The only thing that most guys can agree on is who is really ugly. Most guys here don't like fat or chubby girls or girls that aren't feminine looking.

http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/Beckett20and7/?action=view&current=ugly1.jpg

Most guys here would give the girl on the left somewhere between a 0-4 because of her manly looking face and weight problem. Some guy with a fat fetish might want to have sex with her and some guy that doesn't care about her looks or for some reason has beer goggle vision might go out with her, but you ask most guys, and she's ugly. She looks like if Eddie Van Halen had a daughter he went to buffets and bars with. Outside of girls like her, guys can't agree on what looks good and what doesn't.

The whole point is to get the girls YOU want. It isn't a competition to see how many girls you can have sex with. It's about having sex with the girls you want to have sex with.

And as long as the girl don't consider you really ugly, you have a chance to get her.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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To a large degree I agree with the sentiment that the real scale is 0-1, meaning she's hot enough or she's not. Against that I have to place the fact that some girls are more attractive that others and I will put up with a little more or put forth more effort for those.

I used to use a 0-3 scale where each level was essentially a marker indicating about how much effort I would put out, with 0 being no-go no-way and 3 being a level where I would expend significant effort. That actually worked OK but in the end I think all such scales are BS.
 

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JackBauer24 said:
I didn't see one girl I would date or have sex with, let alone give them a 10.
Out of ALL of those girls you didn't see ANY you would have sex with. That isn't standards, your gay.
 

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For me, it's "no" "maybe" and "yes." No speaks for itself...not even if she had the best personality in the world. Yes also speaks for itself. As long as she has a decent personality, I'm going to want to date and/or have sex with her based on her looks. Maybe is when I have no strong opinion on the girl's looks, in which case, if she is a nice person and has a nice personality, her looks are good enough.
 

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I like the 1-10 scale. But yes every persons scale is different. What is a 10 to me most likely will not be a 10 to somebody else. But if I say that so and sol is an 8 most people will get the idea that she is fairly attractive.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Mine was similar but I've given up what I consider a lost cause in trying to apply a single number to something this complex. My 0-3 scale was essentially no, maybe, probably, yes. Maybe was she would have to do the work and probably was I would do some but not a lot. In the end it's all BS shorthand that doesn't do the subject matter justice.
 

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To address navyseal2101, most of those women were porn stars or women that the guy posting had never met. I never got into the whole porn star thing. They are women you don't see in real life unless they're a stripper at the local strip club or work at hooters or something. I don't like the slutty look.
 

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While I will agree rating a girl automatically puts her on a pedestal, the scale is somewhat accurate. Basically attractiveness all comes down to balance and symmetry. None would ever call Cindy Crawford ugly?



BTW, is there anyway to attach a photo to this site.

For example a picture from myspace or facebook.
 

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BTW, is there anyway to attach a photo to this site.

For example a picture from myspace or facebook.
You have to link it from an off-site location. Click the little icon that looks like the earth with a chain link in front of it.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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"None would ever call Cindy Crawford ugly?"

I personally wouldn't, but you'll find guys that would, the same way I think Angelina Jolie's ugly.
 

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Beauty is eye-catching, as is ugliness.

My scale is 1-10.

5 is average, meaning she would not catch my eye at all in a crowd.

6-10 = there's something about them physically that makes them stand out of a crowd in a positive way.

0-4 = there's something about their physical appearance that is negatively eye-catching.

If anyone is below 5 they do not get any of my consideration.
 

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Luveno said:
Beauty is eye-catching, as is ugliness.

My scale is 1-10.

5 is average, meaning she would not catch my eye at all in a crowd.

6-10 = there's something about them physically that makes them stand out of a crowd in a positive way.

0-4 = there's something about their physical appearance that is negatively eye-catching.

If anyone is below 5 they do not get any of my consideration.

Like I have stated earlier:

Girls fall into 4 categories:

Unattractive
Average
Attractive
Very Attractive

I think MOST WOMEN fall into the category of Average or Attractive. VERY FEW women are Unattractive or Very Attractive.
 

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Mahon and everyone else, what would you consider the girl in the link on my first post? I'm sure I could find better examples, but she's someone, to me, that if you took a poll on the website, 99% would consider her ugly or unattractive.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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probably ugly since she looks like a man, but I think you would need a better pic.

How about this one?

I think the girl on the left is quite cute, not VERY ATTRACTIVE, but ATTRACTIVE. The girl on the right is leaning more towards UNATTRACTIVE, NOT AVERAGE

http://simmons.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30636635&op=1&view=all&subj=8002178&id=8003166

I also would think a majority of men would find the girl on the left above average and the girl on the right below average. However, maybe it just me being egocentric again and thinking every person also sees what I see.
 

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The big one is fat, not ugly. There is a difference. Her face is just average from the (crappy) picture.

In the second image the Asian chick is face-beat-with-a-frying-pan ugly as hell. The otherone is probably average but it's a very bad picture.
 

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"I also would think a majority of men would find the girl on the left above average and the girl on the right below average. However, maybe it just me being egocentric again and thinking every person also sees what I see."

Correct. The asian girl is a better example than mine of a girl that would be ugly to most and most would take the girl on the left if they had to choose. Personally, the girl on the left would pass my looks test, nothing great, but pretty enough, and it would depend on her personality whether or not she was dating material. The asian girl I wouldn't date or have sex with if my life depended on it. But my point is, while you and I think the girl on the left is above average, you'll find guys that would say she's "boring looking" or "average" or a "5" or however you want to put it, and you'll also find guys that think she's really hot. All depends on taste.
 

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JackBauer24 said:
"I also would think a majority of men would find the girl on the left above average and the girl on the right below average. However, maybe it just me being egocentric again and thinking every person also sees what I see."

Correct. The asian girl is a better example than mine of a girl that would be ugly to most and most would take the girl on the left if they had to choose. Personally, the girl on the left would pass my looks test, nothing great, but pretty enough, and it would depend on her personality whether or not she was dating material. The asian girl I wouldn't date or have sex with if my life depended on it. But my point is, while you and I think the girl on the left is above average, you'll find guys that would say she's "boring looking" or "average" or a "5" or however you want to put it, and you'll also find guys that think she's really hot. All depends on taste.
You are right. I guess it is true, most people can agree on who is ugly and who is stunning looking, but everything else is a gray area.

Yes, the Asian girl looks like that creature who was sitting next to Lando when he was flying the Millenium Falcom trying to destroy the Death Star in Return of the Jedi. :D

Here is another one of her (the cute one)

http://simmons.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30636495&id=8003166

This girl is about a 7.5-8 in my book. I guess my looks scale is not that picky. If I find a girl cute, but not smoking hot, she goes in that looks range.

She used to work in the library where I went to grad school, although I personally do not know her (met her once though). I know of atleast one guy who thought she was gorgeous. She was single too I think.

Alls I am asking for is a girl on this level of attractiveness, is that so hard to ask for? haha
 

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"Alls I am asking for is a girl on this level of attractiveness, is that so hard to ask for? haha"

Not at all, man. She looks even better in the second picture. Has kind of a Winona Ryder thing going on.

Glad to see I'm not the only guy that thinks this way. She doesn't have big boobs and probably doesn't have a big ass, but she doesn't need it. She's pretty and probably smart and nice.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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