The truth about most females

[ketostix]

Most young attractive females have several female friends, several guys pursuing her that she's attracted to and at least occassionally does "things" with, at least one or more "good" male friend, and a few orbiters. Add to this various up and comer new guys trying to make in roads with her. You as the "PUA/DJ" likely fall into this up and comer group of guys

All these people constitute ****blocks, and just about all the guys are ****blocks plus competition. Females do little one on one dating anymore, where a guy would be facing equal numbers and have a semi level playing field.. You notice all the flakes feamle give to dates. The female will almost always hang out maybe everyday of the week in a group composed of her female friends, a male friend or two, and then at least one "suitor" who's in contention. You have to pass muster with/befriend all these c0ckblocking people.

What a lot of guys that are trying to make in roads are doing is they have an aliance of guy friends. They help each other out to get laid. It's no longer one guy trying to "win over" one girl (and get passed her ****blocks as I mentioned previously). It becomes a group of guys trying to lure out the female target and her female friends without any of the female's guys. So it becomes a group endeavor. There's bound to be at least a guy or two out of the male's group who will be attractive to girls in the girl group. And the two groups, guys and girls, have a meetup, some alcohol, and the females will select wich guys of the group they're going to have sex with. It's usually the better looking more loud mouth guy that gets the hotter girl and the pairing goes down the list.

See, you as a guy aren't really just dealing with a girl as challenging enough as that would be. You're dealing indirectly or directly with a group of people that surround her. Many girls can't go anywhere or do anything without their posse with them. You might have to disarm/befriend her guy friend(s) that have influence over her past muster/disarm/befriend her girl friends OR have buddies to occupy her other girls.

Yes, it's a sh!tfest of competition within a circle fvck basically. It's not easy for a solo guy to attract and isolate a target girl without infiltrating her group. You're at a big disadvantage even trying to accomplish this.

 

[AgonyUncle]

I dont know dude. I dont think this is a new phenomena. I also cant see how this is realistic with an older more mature woman? Any woman over 24 who is always with a posse is hardly a woman. She is stilla girl.

The really attractive women have ALWAYS had more suitors. There are always only so many pretty girls to go around, and everyone wants to date the prom queen.

The best way to counter is to have more then one girl on the go. Why would you spend so much time on one woman? Sheesh. I know American women are getting fat, but it cant be that bad yet.

 

[ketostix]

I dont know dude. I dont think this is a new phenomena. I also cant see how this is realistic with an older more mature woman? Any woman over 24 who is always with a posse is hardly a woman. She is stilla girl.

People do a lot less of one on one dating than in the past. In the past group meet ups were mostly to meet others to later go out on a one on one date with. I agree after college age this group crap drops somewhat, but as long as a girl is single and has value there's going to be a posse.

The really attractive women have ALWAYS had more suitors. There are always only so many pretty girls to go around, and everyone wants to date the prom queen.

Right that was my point and I was explaining the MO of the more successful "suitors".

The best way to counter is to have more then one girl on the go. Why would you spend so much time on one woman? Sheesh.

How many women one targets or how long they spend on each one isn't of any revelance to the dynamic and method of how to go about doing it or how a lot of guys are going about it.

 

[frivolousz21]

I know you dont like me.
but I think your just making excuses.

you always post about woe is me..its so hard.

wtf...I thought you were Mr. Positive, Mr. Confident.

women are everywhere...grocery stores, colleges, walmart, gas stations, target, the malls, bowling alleys, driving ranges, softball leagues, bars, clubs, farmers market, THE INTERNET, dance class, sporting events, the gym.

I will stop there....seriously...if you cant go out and find a good women thats your problem.

 

[DavenJuan]

i agree that a lot of women carry not just their opinion, but their friends opinion weigh alot on decisions that they make in their love life. IMO

however i have never let that determine what i do or say or even act towards a women with 12 friends in a posse or no friends at all.

When you start to look at this at the view you are then you put yourself in a situation where more "walls" and "obstacles" are up that dont need to be.

spin plates, spin plates, spin plates......friends are part of the package...but who cares

 

[ketostix]

I will stop there....seriously...if you cant go out and find a good women thats your problem.

That's a loaded statement. Did I ever say or imply that I or anyone else can't go out and "find" a "good" woman? And you wonder why I don't like you when you make statements like a woman would make that contribute nothing to the topic and are thinnly or not so thinly vieled insults.

Well you guys heard Frivolous , if you can't go out and find a good woman it's your problem. Well gee I thought finding a good woman or women was every guys "problem" here.

 

[ketostix]

spin plates, spin plates, spin plates......friends are part of the package...but who cares

My point was is just the how that many guys are spinning plates and the way the plates are being spun, for instance a group merging with another group. And I was wanting to discuss that.

 

[AgonyUncle]

Keto

I cant help but think that you analyze this **** WAAAAAAY to much mate. Good looking women have more guys chasing them. PERIOD.

If at the age of 28 she has not been in some type of LTR for the last couple of years at least, then she is a waste of time and probably carrying an STD or two.

Most women your age are actually looking for a little bit more stability. Your outlook may ring tru when in college, but I dont see the same thing now. Im the same age as you. Dating is getting easier actually.

 

[joekerr31]

My point was is just the how that many guys are spinning plates and the way the plates are being spun, for instance a group merging with another group. And I was wanting to discuss that.

im not much of a 'group' guy. i find people get groupthink in groups and that individuals rarely behave as themselves.

im not much for 'macking' on a chic when shes in a group. its not that i can't, or that im afraid, its that im not really dealing with 'her' per say, but rather a fake her that she becomes when shes in a group.

group dynamics are VERY complicated. so much of 'attraction' between two people, as it develops in group scenarios, is a function of what 'other' people in the group think.

so you might have Jim and Sally, and under normal circumstances they may never be attracted to each other. but, when Jim and Sally's two groups get together, everyoen talks about how Jim and Sally are perfect for each other. this group think then makes Jim and Sally start thinking how they should hook up.

its amazing how mindless people become in groups. if it weren't for this phenomena world war II would never have happened.

 

[ketostix]

Keto

I cant help but think that you analyze this **** WAAAAAAY to much mate. Good looking women have more guys chasing them. PERIOD.

If at the age of 28 she has not been in some type of LTR for the last couple of years at least, then she is a waste of time and probably carrying an STD or two.

Most women your age are actually looking for a little bit more stability. Your outlook may ring tru when in college, but I dont see the same thing now. Im the same age as you. Dating is getting easier actually.

Well most of the girls I meet are under 24. I don't find too many attractive single women over 25. But like I said the desirable women even in thir late 20 behave the same way. I don't see the relevance of whether or not she's been in a LTR recently. Because my post was referencing how LT relationships with desirable girls often times get started. Am I overanalyzing or does this site overanalyze? Why do things have to be personal here?

 

[joekerr31]

fyi, the best way to deal with group dynamics, in my opinion, is to actually not go after your target, but rather the chic beside her.

its amazing the effect you can have when you chat up all the girls EXCEPT the one you really want.

then, as she begins to get a little upset that you are giving her no attention, simply shift 90% of your attention to her.

she will reciprocate because she has gone from the girl that was left out to the girl that is winning the prize (ie. the guy that all the other girls were chatting with).

pretty simple really.

 

[ketostix]

im not much of a 'group' guy. i find people get groupthink in groups and that individuals rarely behave as themselves.

im not much for 'macking' on a chic when shes in a group. its not that i can't, or that im afraid, its that im not really dealing with 'her' per say, but rather a fake her that she becomes when shes in a group.

group dynamics are VERY complicated. so much of 'attraction' between two people, as it develops in group scenarios, is a function of what 'other' people in the group think.

so you might have Jim and Sally, and under normal circumstances they may never be attracted to each other. but, when Jim and Sally's two groups get together, everyoen talks about how Jim and Sally are perfect for each other. this group think then makes Jim and Sally start thinking how they should hook up.

its amazing how mindless people become in groups. if it weren't for this phenomena world war II would never have happened.

All right Joekerr you understand exactly what I was getting at. I don't like this group dynamic thing either. Hell I don't even trust the guys in my own group to not screw things up for me.

So my question is with so many women basically all operating in a group dynamic at least a lot of the time, do you think it's valid and possible to try to pluck a girl out of her group, basically with a cold approach and a number close? I'm finding it a challenge just getting past the posse for a long enough time to build enough interest for the number close. And I'm finding only the less desirable girls pan out to a one on one meet up.

What I've been seeing over and over agian is the most desirable girls are basically be fvcked by the guys working the group dynamic. I don't know anyone who is succesfully doing it solo and without the group dynamic I mentioned previously.

 

[ketostix]

fyi, the best way to deal with group dynamics, in my opinion, is to actually not go after your target, but rather the chic beside her.

its amazing the effect you can have when you chat up all the girls EXCEPT the one you really want.

then, as she begins to get a little upset that you are giving her no attention, simply shift 90% of your attention to her.

she will reciprocate because she has gone from the girl that was left out to the girl that is winning the prize (ie. the guy that all the other girls were chatting with).

pretty simple really.

Now we're getting into group theory and Mystery Method. MM isn't fool proof with ignore the target tactic etc. I as trying to stop using that approach. The problen I have and maybe it's just the region I'm working, but I don't think so, is if a solo guy opens the UG it sort of lowers his value and the hotgirl has guys continously gaming her/surrounding her like flies on sh!t. So she doesn't even notice or even care about you there unless you force the interaction with her.

I am probably making this sound more complicated and harder than it is. But I'm being realistic, it really is like this.

 

[STR8UP]

Keto-

Haven't you learned by now? Everything is SIMPLE. You are over analyzing everything. You just need to know how to fukk their minds and bodies....that's all you need to know!

 

[mrRuckus]

the hotgirl has guys continously gaming her/surrounding her like flies on sh!t. So she doesn't even notice or even care about you there unless you force the interaction with her.

Now only if looks mattered since she'd pay attention to you based on looks alone so you were then able to further her attraction by demonstrating personality since she actually noticed you among the other guys to give you that chance.



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[ketostix]

Keto-

Haven't you learned by now? Everything is SIMPLE. You are over analyzing everything. You just need to know how to fukk their minds and bodies....that's all you need to know!

Str8up that's EXACTLY the answer . That's the answer and solution for EVERY guy too. And if I'm conveying sexual state/mind fvcking an 19 year old coed at a bar and if she get's creeped out or walks off, then I'm just not doing mindfvcking right!

 

[ketostix]

Now only if looks mattered since she'd pay attention to you based on looks alone so you were then able to further her attraction by demonstrating personality since she actually noticed you among the other guys to give you that chance.



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Totally true. I'm not the youngest best looking guy gaming her at the bar and never claim to be so I might not get the IOI's or approach invitation and sometimes I do, but I'd really have to demonstrate personality to further whatever attraction is there..That's part of the problem with some many of the better looking guys hovering over her, the hot girl doesn't send out to many signals to guys whther she might be attracted to or not.

 

[mrRuckus]

i doubt the good, pretty women with other redeeming qualities are regularly at the bar for you to find with a group full of orbiters

 

[ketostix]

i doubt the good, pretty women with other redeeming qualities are regularly at the bar for you to find with a group full of orbiters

I'm not sure what you're saying, that there's no pretty girls with redeeming qualities at bars? But the prettiest girls at the bar are always surrounded by friends and orbiters. Anyway, what happens at just bars wasn't the point. The point is if you catch a hot girl somewhere solo, it doesn't mean much if later that night she's going to be hanging out with her crewof girls and guys like these girls just about always do. A big hint is social circle game.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Keto, half the girls I've met and slept with didn't have "groups" or hang out in groups. The ones I HAVE slept with had "groups" and they were a waste of my time.

There was GENUINE attraction with these girls who didn't have the regular hang out buddies. They were less distracted. In a way they were more picky. Things move too fast in groups, and that's where you find a lot of "sport fu*ks", at least, from MY own experience.

You can find plenty of girls who don't group and gossip. I will agree about the competition though! It's everywhere. I don't think you should worry about it though. If she likes you, she'll make time for you.

There's trying and then doing, right?