"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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The Socratic Method and Seduction

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http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=107016&fid=23

Reading over a FS again, this thread got me thinking, a lot. I think we can use the Socratic Method and apply it to seduction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

Elenchus (Ancient Greek: ἔλεγχος elengkhos "argument of disproof or refutation; cross-examining, testing, scrutiny esp. for purposes of refutation" is the central technique of the Socratic method. The Latin form elenchus (plural elenchi ) is used in English as the technical philosophical term.

"If you ask a question or series of questions in which your respondent can readily agree, then ask a concluding question based on those agreements, you will receive a desirable response"


-Socrates' interlocutor asserts a thesis, for example "Courage is endurance of the soul", which Socrates considers false and targets for refutation.
-Socrates secures his interlocutor's agreement to further premises, for example "Courage is a fine thing" and "Ignorant endurance is not a fine thing".
-Socrates then argues, and the interlocutor agrees, that these further premises imply the contrary of the original thesis, in this case it leads to: "courage is not endurance of the soul".
-Socrates then claims that he has shown that his interlocutor's thesis is false and that its negation is true



This is basically the method in a nutshell. A teacher, student example.

-The teacher and student agree on the topic of instruction.
-The student agrees to attempt to answer questions from the teacher.
-The teacher and student are willing to accept any correctly-reasoned answer. That is, the reasoning process must be considered more important than pre-conceived facts or beliefs.
-The teacher's questions should expose errors in the students' reasoning or beliefs, then formulate questions that the students cannot answer except by a correct reasoning process.
-The teacher has prior knowledge about the classical fallacies (errors) in reasoning.
-Where the teacher makes an error of logic or fact, it is acceptable for a student to draw attention to the error.


I can defiantly see where this can work. Im always one to argue my point and try to convince you I am right, wether your a man or women usually by using questions and examples.. Ex -Ok, why do u think this?..etc, what if we change this around and do this..etc.. especially when I know im right and there wrong. If im understanding this correctly the Socratic Method has to do with using questions to prove your point (In a nutshell)
Every time I get into a discussion with a girl and really get into it a prove her wrong, every time I got those "doggy" dinner bowl look eyes and she was more attracted to me then she was before. To me this is def possible.


Whats everyones thought on this?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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You're working this thing way too hard.
Just say,"Lets go get a drink."
Take her hand and lead her to the bar.

BTW those "doggy bowl eyes " were probably her utter confusion (or her boredom) coming to the surface.
 

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Jamo said:
Did you know that Socrates had a terrible marriage? lol
He also thought that "buggering" young boys was aesthetically superior to making love to women.

What you're describing is similar to a clever form of teasing...you're making her feel silly and thus asserting your status as dominant male and hers as the "cute little girl". Her father probably did stuff like this to try to teach her to think for herself and she recognizes that in you. Being able to trick a woman into admitting she's wrong is something that she doesn't see every day. Hell, if she's good-looking, guys probably don't even challenge her ideas at all.

The Socratic Method is a great way to teach anyone anything. But be careful you don't over-do it and start becoming more of a teacher than a lover. Not all women will respond to arguments with men, especially strangers, favorably. :p
 

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squirrels said:
He also thought that "buggering" young boys was aesthetically superior to making love to women.

What you're describing is similar to a clever form of teasing...you're making her feel silly and thus asserting your status as dominant male and hers as the "cute little girl". Her father probably did stuff like this to try to teach her to think for herself and she recognizes that in you. Being able to trick a woman into admitting she's wrong is something that she doesn't see every day. Hell, if she's good-looking, guys probably don't even challenge her ideas at all.

The Socratic Method is a great way to teach anyone anything. But be careful you don't over-do it and start becoming more of a teacher than a lover. Not all women will respond to arguments with men, especially strangers, favorably. :p
Good post.

Did you know that Socrates had a terrible marriage? lol
Had no idea lol and this is more about his methods/philosphies, not marriage.

You're working this thing way too hard.
Just say,"Lets go get a drink."
Take her hand and lead her to the bar.

BTW those "doggy bowl eyes " were probably her utter confusion (or her boredom) coming to the surface.
When im out its a completely diffrent story then when I get home and start to think. Esp when things intrest me. When im out i lead by example and take charge. When I get home i think over things and how to improve them and make things work for me. Hence the point of this thread.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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