"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The smart chick that isn't so smart

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Talking to this girl at a bar, about 10 minutes into the conversation:

Me: so where did you go to school?
HB: Columbia
Me: You must be pretty smart then.
HB: Yes actually I was valedictorian in high school.. .blah blah (she goes on and on how she was in all these clubs and stuff and spoke at Columbia graduation)
Me: so you're a "smart" girl - (kind of giving a disapproving look)
HB: Well no not really
Me: well that's good - most smart girls I know are boring
HB: No I'm actually pretty dumb
Me: I thought you were smart
HB: Well no.. I mean.. do you like dumb girls?
Me: I like girls that are interesting.
HB: Well I'm smart but not too smart but I'm really interesting, is that OK?
Me: Maybe
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Haha, well played.

I feel like smart girls are most susceptible to good game.
 

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Damn, you had her running around in circles trying to qualify herself to you. Anyway, she has to be book smart at least to be valedictorian.
 

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Hahaha this made me laugh out loud! Good one. This is the type of girl that's worthy of attention. The *****y ones are useless and need to be left alone so they realize that they need to change.
 

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Uncharted said:
Talking to this girl at a bar, about 10 minutes into the conversation:

Me: so where did you go to school?
HB: Columbia
Me: You must be pretty smart then.
HB: Yes actually I was valedictorian in high school.. .blah blah (she goes on and on how she was in all these clubs and stuff and spoke at Columbia graduation)
Me: so you're a "smart" girl - (kind of giving a disapproving look)
HB: Well no not really
Me: well that's good - most smart girls I know are boring
HB: No I'm actually pretty dumb
Me: I thought you were smart
HB: Well no.. I mean.. do you like dumb girls?
LOL. She liked you man.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Classic case of don't listen to what comes out of her mouth - at the end of the day she'll follow her vagina before she follows her words
 

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casaanova said:
Classic case of don't listen to what comes out of her mouth - at the end of the day she'll follow her vagina before she follows her words

yup
 

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Wow.. sometimes I don't get these chicks. She seemed super into me (someone else here agreed), then blew me off for the next two dates (saying that she had to write papers). No reschedule offered. I'm going ghost, possibly nexting.

Ah well. She's not smart enough for me anyway :D
 

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Uncharted said:
Wow.. sometimes I don't get these chicks. She seemed super into me (someone else here agreed), then blew me off for the next two dates (saying that she had to write papers). No reschedule offered. I'm going ghost, possibly nexting.

Ah well. She's not smart enough for me anyway :D
Some other "smart" girl told her she is too good and deserves only the best, you should do the same tricks with all of them togheter...they have sheep mentality anyway so once you convince one the others will follow.

Think as when you were playing starcraft as kid once you approach groups of white marines in the middle of the map they automatically turn green and join your team, same with "smart girls".
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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LOL, OP, that was masterfully played. That was one heck of an entertaining exchange there.

But now here she is blowing you off. The reason is most likely that she (perhaps even subconsciously) realized that she was vacillating on her "principles" that night with you and therefore is too embarrassed to continue. With woman, and especially in bars, momentum is everything. Give them a chance to think later on and you have to recover lost ground every time.

I'm sure she's telling herself something different, like your nose it too big, you're too this, too that, but in reality she is praobably a fairly smart girl who is embarrassed for playing dumb.

Anyway, kudos for your handling.
 

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Uncharted said:
Talking to this girl at a bar, about 10 minutes into the conversation:

Me: so where did you go to school?
HB: Columbia
Me: You must be pretty smart then.
HB: Yes actually I was valedictorian in high school.. .blah blah (she goes on and on how she was in all these clubs and stuff and spoke at Columbia graduation)
Me: so you're a "smart" girl - (kind of giving a disapproving look)
HB: Well no not really
Me: well that's good - most smart girls I know are boring
HB: No I'm actually pretty dumb
Me: I thought you were smart
HB: Well no.. I mean.. do you like dumb girls?
Me: I like girls that are interesting.
HB: Well I'm smart but not too smart but I'm really interesting, is that OK?
Me: Maybe
O.P. There are a few good replies here.

The chick obviously liked you and was trying to agree with you because she probably didn't know what to say. Doesn't mean she wasn't smart. Who knows. She could've been the type to get teased for being too "stuck up" just because she's smart. So if she liked you she was trying in her own insecure way to not come off that way.

If you wanted to see her again you overdid it. (I've done that before though realized I was being an azz with my own insecurities at the time and trying to "one up" a chick thinking I was being "funny and or slick" and the chick could've really liked me but I came off like a jackazz.) You have to ride the breaks sometimes.

It's one thing to be "c0cky funny" and another to be a c0cky dummy.
 

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Maybe she meant that she went to school in Columbia...i.e. the country best known for cocaine export.
 

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Atom Smasher said:
With woman, and especially in bars, momentum is everything.
I misspoke in the original post. We were out getting drinks together. I had number closed her a few days earlier.

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Until they're jumping on my pole, it's all talk.

Closing is your friend:
YES - I kiss closed but not f-closed. I will boo myself.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Uncharted said:
Talking to this girl at a bar, about 10 minutes into the conversation:

Me: so where did you go to school?
HB: Columbia
Me: You must be pretty smart then.
HB: Yes actually I was valedictorian in high school.. .blah blah (she goes on and on how she was in all these clubs and stuff and spoke at Columbia graduation)
Me: so you're a "smart" girl - (kind of giving a disapproving look)
HB: Well no not really
Me: well that's good - most smart girls I know are boring
HB: No I'm actually pretty dumb
Me: I thought you were smart
HB: Well no.. I mean.. do you like dumb girls?
Me: I like girls that are interesting.
HB: Well I'm smart but not too smart but I'm really interesting, is that OK?
Me: Maybe
LOL this is great stuff mad funny
 
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