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Looking to amplify more of my knowledge about the female body language, any books,video etc?
 
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Looking to amplify more of my knowledge about the female body language, any books,video etc?
Hey man seeking more knowledge is fantastic. Dont let anyone tell you its a waist of time. I read alot about eye contact. Start with blogs and articles on that. Quick search will get you some info.
 

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Good question and topic.

First, an oldie but goodie is Attraction is Not a Choice by David Deangelo. He's blogged about it and has some videos and a PDF for maybe $30-$40. He goes into all the specifics about WHY a woman is attracted to one man over another...and as the title says, they cannot control whom they're attracted to. Read up. BTW, this hasn't changed in 10,000 years or so. It's in their DNA.

Some quick tips. If she exhibits any of or a combination of these signs, it's positive, especially on a first date or early on.

-Sits or gets close to you
-Is making good eye contact
-Smiling
-Open body language
-"Accidentally" touches you like feet or knees under the table--and keeps them there.
-Laughs a lot
-Asks you questions
-Is playfully responding to your teasing (get good at this)
-HOLY GRAIL: If she overtly reaches out and touches you, even softly. Like she's telling you something and reaches out to touch your shoulder as she's talking. To 99% of guys it's no big deal, but it is for her. If she does this, YOU'RE IN.

Good luck.
 

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Hey man seeking more knowledge is fantastic. Dont let anyone tell you its a waist of time. I read alot about eye contact. Start with blogs and articles on that. Quick search will get you some info.
Dude I don’t pay attention to nay sayers. It’s a waste of time
 
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Just excuses to not approach, don't waste your time.
Lol You idiot, you still have to go a make the approach. The whole point of it, is to capitalize your time on the girls that have slight interest in you and weed out the ones that don’t
 

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Lol You idiot, you still have to go a make the approach. The whole point of it, is to capitalize your time on the girls that have slight interest in you and weed out the ones that don’t
Dude you made a post about things I learned a decade ago , but I'm the idiot. As someone who already knows what they are, I'm TELLING you you should not waste your time learning them and relying on them.
 

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I wouldn’t read too much into female body language and signs. Most of it is bullshyt.

Some girls will fake attraction signs just for attention. Others do it so they can get you to do something for them. Some, on the other hand, will totally shutdown or act “hostile” if they are into you.

I have this one girl at work who is a massive manipulator. Fakes attraction and everything (you know bedroom eyes, flirty voice, camel-toe, tight revealing clothes etc) just to get guys to do her work.
 

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body language is extremely useful to know just in general, not just with women. We pick up on it subconsciously, but learning to see it consciously is a superpower, you can tell when people are lying and when they're attracted to you. Not only that, but body language is generally universal, you can appy it in any culture, even if you can't speak the language.

People will point their bodies towards the person who is in charge or who they like. Case in point, I met a chick at a party and we went to a bar afterwards, she had already shown interest in me between the party and the bar. We were outside, but it was cold so she went inside and I followed her. By the time I found her she was talking to two brothers, one of whom was macking on her bigtime. I just sat down next to her and talked to the other brother who was going to australia in two weeks. The whole time we sat there, she was talking to one of the guys and not even looking at me, but the whole time she was pointing her body at me. At the end of the night, I went home with her and we went on a date after that too. I was able to play it completely cool knowing that she wanted me and not the other guy, all I had to do was look her in the eyes.
 

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Dude you made a post about things I learned a decade ago , but I'm the idiot. As someone who already knows what they are, I'm TELLING you you should not waste your time learning them and relying on them.
Looking back, if I waited for IOIs I may have been a virgin for an indeterminate amount of years longer. The first girl I had sex with was in school, but she had not so as much looked in my direction that I know of before I approached her. Same thing with at least a couple other girls in school, but which I was too inhibited to escalate with.

On the other hand I've had at least a couple women who I either saw checking me out, or were directly flirting with me, but who rejected me.
 
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Looking back, if I waited for IOIs I may have been a virgin for an indeterminate amount of years longer. The first girl I had sex with was in school, but she had not so much looked in my direction that I know of before I approached her although that was before she broke up with her bf. But same thing with at least a couple other girls in school, but which I was too inhibited to escalate with.

On the other hand I've had at least a couple women who I either saw checking me out, or were directly flirting with me, but who rejected me.
Looking for IOIs is feminine "how do I know if he likes me?" based on fear of rejection. Women constantly discuss that stuff.

Masculine is "oh I like that I'll try to get it".

The majority of guys relying on IOIs will be in scarcity mode and also completely miss the higher quality women that are not good flirts because they don't need to be.
 

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Looking for IOIs is feminine "how do I know if he likes me?" based on fear of rejection. Women constantly discuss that stuff.

Masculine is "oh I like that I'll try to get it".

The majority of guys relying on IOIs will be in scarcity mode and also completely miss the higher quality women that are not good flirts because they don't need to be.
That masculine line you said will crash against the conditioning that guys get about interacting with women which is to think women must be manipulated or bribed into having sex and that it's done through ingratiating behavior like small talk and entertainment. What the guy really fears isn't approaching or rejection, it's the discomfort of acting phony outwards when he is being honest with himself inwards.

If guys just walked up and said what they were really thinking and what they wanted, like they already do with themselves, I think they would soon feel no real fear.
 
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That masculine line you said will crash against the conditioning that guys get which is to think women must be manipulated or bribed into having sex and that it's done through ingratiating behavior like small talk and entertainment. Tell the same guy to approach the same woman just to ask what the time is and he'll be just fine. What the guy really fears isn't approaching or rejection, it's the discomfort of acting disingenuously when they both know what he wants but he still has been conditioned to manipulate and pretend otherwise.

If guys just walked up and said what they were thinking and what they wanted, like they already do with themselves, I think they would feel no real fear.
"They love the part were they both know what they want" and a certain sprinkle of coyness is like catnip. Good post AF and women love it when they know you "get it"
Reading social q's is net feminine. The contrary. Its the inexperienced that can't read the environment they are in.
If your not the natural type it takes a certain level of passion to figure it out.
 

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I agree with this, but the problem that makes it hard to digest for guys will be that there's a conflict between the human emotions guys are liable to feel, and the kind of antisocial-spectrum emotional void you'd want to maximize how boldly you will behave. Guys feel judged when they get rejected which lowers their selfesteem but that's a problem a narcissists or psychopaths wouldn't have as their brains are predatory rather than prosocial.
No question, very few men are immune to that which is why most men cannot/will not cold approach. The problem is sniper/IOI hunting does not work, it isn't a successful strategy. If you want to maximize success just stay in your "league", for me 6-8.
 
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Look at the direction she turns her body when speaking to a guy. If she turns/leans toward him she is interested. If she doesn't, she is hoping you'll go away soon! Next time you are in a singles bar, study the interactions between male/female.
 

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Look at the direction she turns her body when speaking to a guy. If she turns/leans toward him she is interested. If she doesn't, she is hoping you'll go away soon! Next time you are in a singles bar, study the interactions between male/female.
...or maybe she’s just hoping to score a free drink.
 

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...or maybe she’s just hoping to score a free drink.
Don't offer it. If she asks, then you know exactly what she is about and you should bail immediately.
 

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Good question and topic.

First, an oldie but goodie is Attraction is Not a Choice by David Deangelo. He's blogged about it and has some videos and a PDF for maybe $30-$40.
Is this the PDF you're talking about?
 

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I spent a decent amount of time learning ioi’s. But the reality is that... If your gut tells you that she’s interested then she is.

Women do all of these indicators and it can mean absolutely nothing. Some are just friendly, some do it unknowingly, and some do it for manipulative reasons.

I think the biggest ioi is if she meets up with you or wants to be around you in general. That’s probably the only one you really need to know.
 
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