"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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The rise of Men Going Gay

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No man is gay to start with. Nor is a man born gay. Frustration with the opposite sex or lack of getting sex from the opposite sex is easy grounds to going to the easier option. This is why this reason is often censored in talks of gay therapy.
I am probably the most frustrated and hapless guy on here when it comes to the opposite sex and I am not gay and more likely homophobic. I dont understand that because I like women (if they are safely on the other side a screen).
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Why? Women often swing both ways, but if they're lesbians they weren't up for straight sex anyway. I don't think women are getting more lesbian, but I do understand that many women don't enjoy men their own age anymore. From what I hear, most guys their own age are so gay...
Lesbians will make an exception for the right guy.
 

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I am probably the most frustrated and hapless guy on here when it comes to the opposite sex and I am not gay and more likely homophobic. I dont understand that because I like women (if they are safely on the other side a screen).
You're still not frustrated enough to want to turn to men. Nor will I say that being frustrated necessitates becoming gay. But it's the usual marker for going that route.

Here is another hot take that the lgbt world does not like to hear: all of them are the definition of the "incel" moniker.
 

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Hi Haley,
I still haven't firmed up my thoughts on this.....Some Days I think it one of the adjuncts indicating a Society in Collapse....Certainly happens to lesser beings like Rats and Mice....Calhoun observed it in his experiments,wrote it up in "The Behavioural Sink",a good Squizz!
 

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There is also the situation in which an ideology espoused by the man prevents him from even thinking about his potential or even real attraction for other men. Ideology is a very, very powerful de/motivator that often is not considered in these discussions.

Personally, when I see PDA displays of same sex couples I do kind of have a low level yuck response. That said it is less the case when I see it between otherwise attractive females, if it’s two blue haired warthog dykes I have the same response as I would to two men.

Furthermore, I don’t really care, other than my instant reaction and believe people should do whatever makes them happy as long as it does not affect me or others, in more than just reacting momentarily to something I do not like to see.

A rhetorical question for the assembled:

Do you react violently to PDA between men, but think two woman, say kissing is hot? Do you seek out images of women getting it on? Food for thought.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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You're still not frustrated enough to want to turn to men.
There is no level of frustration that will ever make me turn to guys, because it does not compute with me.

With all the talk of AI girlfriends, sex robots, music videos, sex toys, sex dolls, huggable long pillows, OnlyFans, and of course, escortcelling, it looks like they are plenty of "frustrated" options that don't require anyone to "turn gay".

The levels of frustrations I have experienced in the past have steered me towards subscribing to a girl on OF, not becoming gay.

Out of curiosity, I have not been with a woman in 10 years. I think that must be worst than most people on here. You want to say that I'm not frustrated enough? How would you even figure that?

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Nor will I say that being frustrated necessitates becoming gay. But it's the usual marker for going that route.

Here is another hot take that the lgbt world does not like to hear: all of them are the definition of the "incel" moniker.
I don't see that on incel sites (when they have that). There are more discussions about paying for it with a woman than sexual orientation.
 
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There is also the situation in which an ideology espoused by the man prevents him from even thinking about his potential or even real attraction for other men. Ideology is a very, very powerful de/motivator that often is not considered in these discussions.

Personally, when I see PDA displays of same sex couples I do kind of have a low level yuck response. That said it is less the case when I see it between otherwise attractive females, if it’s two blue haired warthog dykes I have the same response as I would to two men.

Furthermore, I don’t really care, other than my instant reaction and believe people should do whatever makes them happy as long as it does not affect me or others, in more than just reacting momentarily to something I do not like to see.

A rhetorical question for the assembled:

Do you react violently to PDA between men, but think two woman, say kissing is hot? Do you seek out images of women getting it on? Food for thought.
Agreed, if it's two women it's hot. I would fast forward or would never want to watch two guys if it's a scene in a movie, but if it's two women, I have to discipline myself to fast forward it, because admittedly it's a turn on to watch this.

I wouldn't touch male gay porn with a 10 foot pole and don't even like looking at thumnails of hardcore porn sites because the odd gay one might come up and it ruins the whole experience. However, if it's hetro or women to women then it's something that I wouldn't mind.

Good point.
 

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A lot of gay guys are good looking. If they wanted to go straight. They’d get pu$$y.
A lot of them did before they came out - not talking to their women that they were on the side seeing men using these women as cover sexually. It’s morally repugnant
 

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There is also the situation in which an ideology espoused by the man prevents him from even thinking about his potential or even real attraction for other men. Ideology is a very, very powerful de/motivator that often is not considered in these discussions.

Personally, when I see PDA displays of same sex couples I do kind of have a low level yuck response. That said it is less the case when I see it between otherwise attractive females, if it’s two blue haired warthog dykes I have the same response as I would to two men.

Furthermore, I don’t really care, other than my instant reaction and believe people should do whatever makes them happy as long as it does not affect me or others, in more than just reacting momentarily to something I do not like to see.

A rhetorical question for the assembled:

Do you react violently to PDA between men, but think two woman, say kissing is hot? Do you seek out images of women getting it on? Food for thought.
Gay PDA as long as it’s any reasonable level that a straight couple would do doesn’t bother me these days. Any slob fest of any orientation I think is low class
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Out of curiosity, I have not been with a woman in 10 years. I think that must be worst than most people on here. You want to say that I'm not frustrated enough? How would you even figure that?
I don't know you enough to make any assumptions. Last I remember, you spoke a lot of doing escorts, which is a fair outlet for frustration. Frustration is one of the ingredients, not the entire whole for it. I spoke earlier that the main components tend to be abuse as a child, mental trauma, and lack of sexual release. Gay men tend to have a sense of submissiveness to the reality of the world, and just assume they are attracted to men. When in reality, it is more of a mental disorder stemming from something else. Prison already gives us one reality of homosexuality with a reason behind it: removal of women.

Though I would say men are better at doing the gay thing than women. Women are gayness just does not work the same way with how men do it.
 

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Has anyone ever met a masculine gay man? Most gay men come across as a little feminine to me.
 

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I have no opinion about the origin of gays wheter it's genetics, biology or environment.

What confuse the whole picture even more is that many men are attracted from shemales which have (beside the tool), the appearance of very feminine women due to their extensive use of surgery.
Those same men are not attracted in the same amount from women as a straight man would but dont feel any attraction for masculine bodies as gay guys would.

Regarding lesbians you have some that take the role of the man and look manly (you can see higher T on their faces) while others retain the conventional role and look of women.
Some lesbian really seem programmed to be lesbian while others become so for mental reasons.
 

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Those same men are not attracted in the same amount from women as a straight man would but dont feel any attraction for masculine bodies as gay guys would.
I put this under the umbrella of ladyboys. I would still just call that a preference for a gay partner, but it's still as gay as the guys who like the manly high T bodies. The key point however is that the man retains his attraction to feminine appearances so your argument does make sense from that point of view. Then you have to ask, why some men fall into liking shemales.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Because they want to be misoginist and patriarcal at the same time so they dislike women but want to own someone that looks like one.

This is not a serious answer btw
You almost had me.
 

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Yes, I met masculine gay men.

Most homosexual men come across as gay, but there are quite a few where you wouldn't notice. Some of them behave exaggerated 'feminine', but it's not really how feminine women act.
Good to know. I wanted to ask because I only know about 15 gay dudes. I didn't want to lump them all in the same category.
 

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Has anyone ever met a masculine gay man? Most gay men come across as a little feminine to me.
I have not met any gay men that I think are masculine. The gay men that I have met either had mannerisms and/or a tone of their voice that wasn't typically masculine.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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