"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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The reason why I want to be in a LTR. Feeling kinda bitter.

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The sex. I slept with more than 20 females, but have had sex less than 75 times. In a LTR, you get to **** everyday, sometimes more than once.

A guy who's my age that's been in a couple relationships lasting a year or more has had sex hundreds of times. Maybe close to a thousand. Compared to him, I'm not very experienced.

I think it's time for me to get into a relationship. I'm not going to marry the first girl who wants to be with me, but I don't want to be 30 years old before I experience my first LTR.

I'm always comparing myself to others and I can get extremely jealous at times. Sometimes I see guys with their girlfriends and think myself "well he'll probably get some tonight. if i want any *****, i have to either buy it or go on the prowl looking for a ONS".

This isn't healthy thinking and sometimes I feel bitter. I know that I won't attract anyone feeling bitter but it's hard not to feel bitter. There was this pretty cute girl on the bus that was talking to her friend and she was saying how she and her BF ****ed 5 times yesterday. What I would give to be in a relationship with a girl and **** her five times in one day.

Basically the point of this thread is...how can I get rid of my negative emotions? How can I forget the fact that I never had a girl love me? I need to overcome this if I ever want to be truly happy and get what I want in life.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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aaronlava said:
I ****ed my ex 5 times in one day once we average like 3 times a day usaully though. but i was already great in bed before i met her.
Ok, that didn't help.
 
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Special T said:
Basically the point of this thread is...how can I get rid of my negative emotions? How can I forget the fact that I never had a girl love me? I need to overcome this if I ever want to be truly happy and get what I want in life.

The grass is always greener yadda, yadda. You forgot to mention one of the staples of a serious relationship: having to put up with all of the female's bullsh1t. Not to mention, fvcking the same girl gets boring after a while. Getting a girlfriend isn't going to bring you lasting happiness; that comes from within. Cliche, I know...
 

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What the hell makes you think you have more chance of getting sex in a LTR than if you were playing the field and spinning plates? Plus in an LTR you're just hitting the same old poon over and over.
 

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What the hell makes you think you have more chance of getting sex in a LTR than if you were playing the field and spinning plates? Plus in an LTR you're just hitting the same old poon over and over.
That's one thing that I won't put up with in a LTR (lack of sex). She needs to be as horny as me.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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TyTe`EyEz said:
The grass is always greener yadda, yadda. You forgot to mention one of the staples of a serious relationship: having to put up with all of the female's bullsh1t. Not to mention, fvcking the same girl gets boring after a while. Getting a girlfriend isn't going to bring you lasting happiness; that comes from within. Cliche, I know...
I never said it would bring me happiness. It would make me feel like I conquered something else in life. Not having at least one LTR is a problem after a certain age. It means there's something wrong with me. What would make me happy is not being bitter and learning how to control my jealousy and the fact it feels like I missed out one stuff.

And I never **** the same girl more than 4 times so I don't know what it's like for ***** to become boring. But I imagine it becomes boring when she becomes boring. Because ***** feels pretty much the same.
 

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The sex. I slept with more than 20 females, but have had sex less than 75 times. In a LTR, you get to **** everyday, sometimes more than once.

A guy who's my age that's been in a couple relationships lasting a year or more has had sex hundreds of times. Maybe close to a thousand. Compared to him, I'm not very experienced.

I think it's time for me to get into a relationship. I'm not going to marry the first girl who wants to be with me, but I don't want to be 30 years old before I experience my first LTR.

I'm always comparing myself to others and I can get extremely jealous at times. Sometimes I see guys with their girlfriends and think myself "well he'll probably get some tonight. if i want any *****, i have to either buy it or go on the prowl looking for a ONS".

This isn't healthy thinking and sometimes I feel bitter. I know that I won't attract anyone feeling bitter but it's hard not to feel bitter. There was this pretty cute girl on the bus that was talking to her friend and she was saying how she and her BF ****ed 5 times yesterday. What I would give to be in a relationship with a girl and **** her five times in one day.

Basically the point of this thread is...how can I get rid of my negative emotions? How can I forget the fact that I never had a girl love me? I need to overcome this if I ever want to be truly happy and get what I want in life.

are you really even upset that you've never had a girl love you? you seem to be more upset that you've never gotten consistent sex honestly.
 

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Special T said:
The sex. I slept with more than 20 females, but have had sex less than 75 times. In a LTR, you get to **** everyday, sometimes more than once.

A guy who's my age that's been in a couple relationships lasting a year or more has had sex hundreds of times. Maybe close to a thousand. Compared to him, I'm not very experienced.

I think it's time for me to get into a relationship. I'm not going to marry the first girl who wants to be with me, but I don't want to be 30 years old before I experience my first LTR.

I'm always comparing myself to others and I can get extremely jealous at times. Sometimes I see guys with their girlfriends and think myself "well he'll probably get some tonight. if i want any *****, i have to either buy it or go on the prowl looking for a ONS".

This isn't healthy thinking and sometimes I feel bitter. I know that I won't attract anyone feeling bitter but it's hard not to feel bitter. There was this pretty cute girl on the bus that was talking to her friend and she was saying how she and her BF ****ed 5 times yesterday. What I would give to be in a relationship with a girl and **** her five times in one day.

Basically the point of this thread is...how can I get rid of my negative emotions? How can I forget the fact that I never had a girl love me? I need to overcome this if I ever want to be truly happy and get what I want in life.


Believe me, being in a LTR has A LOT more bullshyt you have to put up with than just consistent @ss.. you make it seem like guys who have gf's just literally sit in their bed all day fuvkin'..... LOL

The truth is the consistent sex of a LTR is awesome..................IN THE BEGINNING!!! Then as the honeymoon phase starts to wear off, the sex gradually decreases to the point where you can E-A-S-I-L-Y get laid more often with different girls as a single guy.

I see so many guys who waste their 20's (their prime) being in a LTR with a chick, when they could be out with their crew knockin' down new chicks.

Now, dating is different. Go out and date 2-3 different chicks at the same time, but just don't get comitted to any of them unless your ready to give up a lot of your freedom.




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Special T said:
The sex. I slept with more than 20 females, but have had sex less than 75 times. In a LTR, you get to **** everyday, sometimes more than once.

A guy who's my age that's been in a couple relationships lasting a year or more has had sex hundreds of times. Maybe close to a thousand. Compared to him, I'm not very experienced.

I think it's time for me to get into a relationship. I'm not going to marry the first girl who wants to be with me, but I don't want to be 30 years old before I experience my first LTR.

I'm always comparing myself to others and I can get extremely jealous at times. Sometimes I see guys with their girlfriends and think myself "well he'll probably get some tonight. if i want any *****, i have to either buy it or go on the prowl looking for a ONS".

This isn't healthy thinking and sometimes I feel bitter. I know that I won't attract anyone feeling bitter but it's hard not to feel bitter. There was this pretty cute girl on the bus that was talking to her friend and she was saying how she and her BF ****ed 5 times yesterday. What I would give to be in a relationship with a girl and **** her five times in one day.

Basically the point of this thread is...how can I get rid of my negative emotions? How can I forget the fact that I never had a girl love me? I need to overcome this if I ever want to be truly happy and get what I want in life.


Believe me, being in a LTR has A LOT more bullshyt you have to put up with than just consistent @ss.. you make it seem like guys who have gf's just literally sit in their bed all day fuvkin'..... LOL

The truth is the consistent sex of a LTR is awesome..................IN THE BEGINNING!!! Then as the honeymoon phase starts to wear off, the sex gradually decreases to the point where you can E-A-S-I-L-Y get laid more often with different girls as a single guy.

I see so many guys who waste their 20's (their prime) being in a LTR with a chick, when they could be out with their crew knockin' down new chicks.

Now, dating is different. Go out and date 2-3 different chicks at the same time, but just don't get comitted to any of them unless your ready to give up a lot of your freedom.




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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I'm not really missing much with a LTR? And how long the honeymoon phase last?
 

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I'm not really missing much with a LTR? And how long the honeymoon phase last?
the honeymoon phase is a myth, keep your game up and more importantly..your sex game up and she should still want sex 3 times a day years from now
 

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In my opinion, a lot of 'game' has reduced effectiveness or is in most cases useless in an LTR. It works great for attraction, but once you've become committed you have to change your approach. You still need to control the frame and be the one that 'cares the least', but there will be a lot more compromise in an LTR and you need to make yourself a bit more vulnerable.

You have to talk about feelings a lot more - don't be the first to say I love you, but you can start saying things like 'I think I could fall for you' or 'I might be falling for you'. Stuff you wouldn't generally say when just dating.

But then again, I'm no expert.. I'm kinda the opposite of you - most of my relationships have been LTR's of 2+ yrs.
 

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what i meant by keep your game up was like try to keep the attraction level up, keep working out, keep doing things with your life, dont become overly dependant, basically just keep your value.
 

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I think you're all full of ****, every single one of you.

I'm sorry but it needs to be said.

The stuff that is being spouted in this very thread is the reason why the seduction community has such a bad name.

Not one of you has any consideration (I'm only going off your responses in this thread here though, it may be different in real life but it's not coming across that way) for the other human being in any of these interactions: the woman.

You all seem so caught up in her being this obstacle to her vagina that needs to be overcome.

The fact that Special-T simply wants to be in a long-term relationship so he can have more sex, to most of the responses focussing on you having sex with the same vagina over and over again.

The only thing that is the same, consistently, is the fact that you are ****ing a vagina: THEY are all the same. Whether you're with one woman, or 30, it's the same bit of flesh.

THAT is not what you're after.

Dude, if the ONLY reason you want to be in a long-term relationship is because you want to **** more, I feel sorry for you. Moreso, I feel sorry for the woman.

I'm guessing none of you have been in a fulfilling LTR, otherwise there wouldn't be so much **** dripping through this entire thread.

A long-term relationship isn't about being able to **** 5 times a day or more, and sure that happens, and sometimes it doesn't. What it's REALLY about is connection, on a much deeper level than any ONS or FB situation could offer.

I've had many ONS's, and a few FB arrangements, and never have I felt more empty than after sex in those situations.

I've ****ed girls with incredible body's, wonderful asses, 9's, 10's - none of it was worthwhile other than I was able to brag about it to my friends: I still felt empty and unfulfilled, no matter how great the sex was.

In my LTR's the sex was ALWAYS better because it went deeper than just sticking my **** inside a woman I barely knew and shaking it around a bit so that she came multiple times, ejaculated, and told her friends how great I was.

The sex was ALWAYS better because it was no longer about my ego, but sharing a moment in complete vulnerability with another human being, who I deeply respected.

That sort of play didn't just exist inside the bedroom either.
It was there when we fought, it was there when we made up, it was there when we went to the movies and hung out, or spent a weekend away exploring somewhere else, it was there when we went clubbing together... all of it.

And I'm not just talking about this one girl that got away, kind of scenario. I've been in 3 LTR's that lastest more than a year, and in every single instance it was a million times better than me trying to conquest women in order to get my **** wet.

If you want happiness, stop placing it in the hands of the opposite sex, whom you're seeing as a nicely dressed obstacle to a vagina.


What do you have to offer? And what do you really seek out of life?

If you knew you were going to die in 3 days time, and you'd already been completely fulfilled sexually, what would you want to go and do in those 3 days that has nothing to do with women?

Start doing THAT today. Start doing the things in your life that really wake you up, and help you feel alive, rather than wasting all this time trying to conquest women.

Life is for living men, not sitting around on forums *****ing about women and how they've done us so wrong.

**** that, that's a miserable existence (it was for me anyway), it's unfulfilling, it's unproductive, and when you're on your death bed, you're never going to look back and go "I'm upset that I had oneitis that time and I didn't **** a ****load of women"

Instead you'll be disappointed in the fact that you focussed solely on this area of you're life when there is so much beauty in the world outside of this arena.


I do love what this community is capable of guys, and I do respect you all for wanting to get better with women, but it's not THE answer.

Fulfill your life in other arena's, start being happy with the life that you live, and the path that you're walking outside of this women situation, and I can promise you, as somebody who has been there, the women will come.

And they will be of a much higher quality than the ones you've been trying to conquest.

End rant.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I think you're all full of ****, every single one of you.

I'm sorry but it needs to be said.

The stuff that is being spouted in this very thread is the reason why the seduction community has such a bad name.

Not one of you has any consideration (I'm only going off your responses in this thread here though, it may be different in real life but it's not coming across that way) for the other human being in any of these interactions: the woman.

You all seem so caught up in her being this obstacle to her vagina that needs to be overcome.

The fact that Special-T simply wants to be in a long-term relationship so he can have more sex, to most of the responses focussing on you having sex with the same vagina over and over again.

The only thing that is the same, consistently, is the fact that you are ****ing a vagina: THEY are all the same. Whether you're with one woman, or 30, it's the same bit of flesh.

THAT is not what you're after.

Dude, if the ONLY reason you want to be in a long-term relationship is because you want to **** more, I feel sorry for you. Moreso, I feel sorry for the woman.

I'm guessing none of you have been in a fulfilling LTR, otherwise there wouldn't be so much **** dripping through this entire thread.

A long-term relationship isn't about being able to **** 5 times a day or more, and sure that happens, and sometimes it doesn't. What it's REALLY about is connection, on a much deeper level than any ONS or FB situation could offer.

I've had many ONS's, and a few FB arrangements, and never have I felt more empty than after sex in those situations.

I've ****ed girls with incredible body's, wonderful asses, 9's, 10's - none of it was worthwhile other than I was able to brag about it to my friends: I still felt empty and unfulfilled, no matter how great the sex was.

In my LTR's the sex was ALWAYS better because it went deeper than just sticking my **** inside a woman I barely knew and shaking it around a bit so that she came multiple times, ejaculated, and told her friends how great I was.

The sex was ALWAYS better because it was no longer about my ego, but sharing a moment in complete vulnerability with another human being, who I deeply respected.

That sort of play didn't just exist inside the bedroom either.
It was there when we fought, it was there when we made up, it was there when we went to the movies and hung out, or spent a weekend away exploring somewhere else, it was there when we went clubbing together... all of it.

And I'm not just talking about this one girl that got away, kind of scenario. I've been in 3 LTR's that lastest more than a year, and in every single instance it was a million times better than me trying to conquest women in order to get my **** wet.

If you want happiness, stop placing it in the hands of the opposite sex, whom you're seeing as a nicely dressed obstacle to a vagina.

I didn't know Dr. Phil was a member of Sosuave...

I think you're full of sh1t.
 
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Except for this part:


Ziniath said:
What do you have to offer? And what do you really seek out of life?

If you knew you were going to die in 3 days time, and you'd already been completely fulfilled sexually, what would you want to go and do in those 3 days that has nothing to do with women?

Start doing THAT today. Start doing the things in your life that really wake you up, and help you feel alive, rather than wasting all this time trying to conquest women.

Life is for living men, not sitting around on forums *****ing about women and how they've done us so wrong.

**** that, that's a miserable existence (it was for me anyway), it's unfulfilling, it's unproductive, and when you're on your death bed, you're never going to look back and go "I'm upset that I had oneitis that time and I didn't **** a ****load of women"

Instead you'll be disappointed in the fact that you focussed solely on this area of you're life when there is so much beauty in the world outside of this arena.


I do love what this community is capable of guys, and I do respect you all for wanting to get better with women, but it's not THE answer.

Fulfill your life in other arena's, start being happy with the life that you live, and the path that you're walking outside of this women situation, and I can promise you, as somebody who has been there, the women will come.

And they will be of a much higher quality than the ones you've been trying to conquest.

End rant.
That is good stuff.
 

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Ziniath said:
I think you're all full of ****, every single one of you.

I'm sorry but it needs to be said.

The stuff that is being spouted in this very thread is the reason why the seduction community has such a bad name.

Not one of you has any consideration (I'm only going off your responses in this thread here though, it may be different in real life but it's not coming across that way) for the other human being in any of these interactions: the woman.

You all seem so caught up in her being this obstacle to her vagina that needs to be overcome.

The fact that Special-T simply wants to be in a long-term relationship so he can have more sex, to most of the responses focussing on you having sex with the same vagina over and over again.

The only thing that is the same, consistently, is the fact that you are ****ing a vagina: THEY are all the same. Whether you're with one woman, or 30, it's the same bit of flesh.

THAT is not what you're after.

Dude, if the ONLY reason you want to be in a long-term relationship is because you want to **** more, I feel sorry for you. Moreso, I feel sorry for the woman.

I'm guessing none of you have been in a fulfilling LTR, otherwise there wouldn't be so much **** dripping through this entire thread.

A long-term relationship isn't about being able to **** 5 times a day or more, and sure that happens, and sometimes it doesn't. What it's REALLY about is connection, on a much deeper level than any ONS or FB situation could offer.

I've had many ONS's, and a few FB arrangements, and never have I felt more empty than after sex in those situations.

I've ****ed girls with incredible body's, wonderful asses, 9's, 10's - none of it was worthwhile other than I was able to brag about it to my friends: I still felt empty and unfulfilled, no matter how great the sex was.

In my LTR's the sex was ALWAYS better because it went deeper than just sticking my **** inside a woman I barely knew and shaking it around a bit so that she came multiple times, ejaculated, and told her friends how great I was.

The sex was ALWAYS better because it was no longer about my ego, but sharing a moment in complete vulnerability with another human being, who I deeply respected.

That sort of play didn't just exist inside the bedroom either.
It was there when we fought, it was there when we made up, it was there when we went to the movies and hung out, or spent a weekend away exploring somewhere else, it was there when we went clubbing together... all of it.

And I'm not just talking about this one girl that got away, kind of scenario. I've been in 3 LTR's that lastest more than a year, and in every single instance it was a million times better than me trying to conquest women in order to get my **** wet.

If you want happiness, stop placing it in the hands of the opposite sex, whom you're seeing as a nicely dressed obstacle to a vagina.


What do you have to offer? And what do you really seek out of life?

If you knew you were going to die in 3 days time, and you'd already been completely fulfilled sexually, what would you want to go and do in those 3 days that has nothing to do with women?

Start doing THAT today. Start doing the things in your life that really wake you up, and help you feel alive, rather than wasting all this time trying to conquest women.

Life is for living men, not sitting around on forums *****ing about women and how they've done us so wrong.

**** that, that's a miserable existence (it was for me anyway), it's unfulfilling, it's unproductive, and when you're on your death bed, you're never going to look back and go "I'm upset that I had oneitis that time and I didn't **** a ****load of women"

Instead you'll be disappointed in the fact that you focussed solely on this area of you're life when there is so much beauty in the world outside of this arena.


I do love what this community is capable of guys, and I do respect you all for wanting to get better with women, but it's not THE answer.

Fulfill your life in other arena's, start being happy with the life that you live, and the path that you're walking outside of this women situation, and I can promise you, as somebody who has been there, the women will come.

And they will be of a much higher quality than the ones you've been trying to conquest.

End rant.
Apart from the bit about not making women your focus, that is one of the sympiest load of bullsh1t posts I've ever read on this forum. Take your feminist bullsh1t attitude to loveshack.org please Mr. White Knight. Maybe one of the 'high quality' damsels over there would be turned on by your wuss attitude and proceed to jump your bones... oh wait that doesn't happen in reality. Poor you. :(
 

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being in a LTR and having alot of sex, hundreds of times, i gotta tell ya

i would much rather have sex with many different girls a few times each, than hundreds of times with the same girl, who only deteriorates with time (physically)

but having sex is much better if there are deep feelings i reckon, sex without feelings is always a bit empty and not that enjoyable. its like eating a really good steak when you're not actually that hungry
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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