Mistic
Senior Don Juan
Because my ideas can be a little difficult for some to digest, I will write this as clearly as possible. The focus of this thread is to reveal how rating women may actually be hurting your game, and to provide you a more useful and valid method for categorizing women.
First let's get clear that there really is no such thing as an HB anything. It is completely relative. Take a look at this thread to see how what you think is an HB10 may actually be an HB2 for someone else.
O...M...G... hottest chick ever?
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=140416
So is your ideal HB actually a 10 or a 5? Of course she is neither. So, what is she then?
Before we get into that, let's focus on the main point of the thread: How the HB rating system can hurt your game.
If you decide a woman is an HB8, 9 or a 10, you will likely approach and treat her differently than you would a 7 or less. Some here will argue that you need to adjust your game to mirror her frame and self concept. This may seem to make sense on the surface, but here is the problem:
We have already seen in the above thread that your HB 10 may be a 5 for some other guy. So your judgment about her looks is skewed from reality. And your assumptions on how she should be approached are just projections. You think she is hot, so you treat her that way.
There are super models who some guys think are ugly. And as I mentioned in another post, women, no matter how hot, don't truly believe they are beautiful. Therefor, you "opinion" of her her looks really means nothing in reality.
Now, if you and the guy who thinks she is a 5 both approach her, you might be gearing up to mirror her frame and make sure you treat her as a special case, while the other guy, who is not impressed will approach her like she is completely average.
Because guy number 2 is not very impressed with her, his "natural" frame will be confident, unneedy, relaxed, disinterested, feeling overqualified for her, and unaffected by her possible rejection. DJ qualities.
At the same time, you, who are secretly enamored by her, and believing that she is some special case who needs special attention and special treatment, are going to pretend to be confident, unneedy, relaxed, disinterested, feeling overqualified for her, and unaffected by her possible rejection, because that is what you may have been led to believe is the "best way" to get her attracted to you.
Now who do you think will come off as most sincere? Who will actually believe in there own frame? Who is being "real?" Who will be least affected by her possible rejection? And who is more likely to get her in bed?
The truth is that either guy might succeed, but both are actually losers. One guy gets the girls he didn't really want, while the other gets her under false pretences.
Now lets look at how guy #3 transcends the useless HB scale, and gets the right information to make an intelligent decision as to whether he wants her at all. Did you get that? In cased you missed it, here it is again:
"A successful, authentic man gets sufficient information, to make an intelligent decision, be it yes, or no."
He realizes that a judgment based on initial attraction levels is not sufficient information. He does not look around at women, see them as an HB whatever, and then make decisions based on that. He is concerned with what type of woman she is.
Here are 4 classes of women. Feel free to add or modify:
B!tches (fvck anyone but you, and are selfish beings)
$luts (fvck anyone they want)
WH0RES (fvck anyone for the right price)
Good Women (will like you for you)
Most women will be a combination of any of these qualities, with some exhibiting all 4.
Can a good woman sometimes be a B!tch? Sure she can. Can she also sometimes be a slut or a WH0RE? Of course. What fun would she be otherwise?
It's okay for a good woman to have some of these qualities. Whats not Okay is for a b!tch, slut or hore to NOT have any of the qualities that make a good woman valuable. She may be a 10 in looks to you, but she may not actually be worth your while. The qualities of what defines a good woman will depend on you personal preference. I wont attempt to fully define a good woman.
In conclusion. If you make it your objective to not judge women based on HB ratings, but whether or not she is a worthwhile girl, you will not get your self into an insincere or tricky spot.
Your objective is simply to "discover," if the woman in question is worth your time or not. By just being you, and treating her as "just a person who may or may not meet your standards" you will find out quickly and easily.
First let's get clear that there really is no such thing as an HB anything. It is completely relative. Take a look at this thread to see how what you think is an HB10 may actually be an HB2 for someone else.
O...M...G... hottest chick ever?
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=140416
So is your ideal HB actually a 10 or a 5? Of course she is neither. So, what is she then?
Before we get into that, let's focus on the main point of the thread: How the HB rating system can hurt your game.
If you decide a woman is an HB8, 9 or a 10, you will likely approach and treat her differently than you would a 7 or less. Some here will argue that you need to adjust your game to mirror her frame and self concept. This may seem to make sense on the surface, but here is the problem:
We have already seen in the above thread that your HB 10 may be a 5 for some other guy. So your judgment about her looks is skewed from reality. And your assumptions on how she should be approached are just projections. You think she is hot, so you treat her that way.
There are super models who some guys think are ugly. And as I mentioned in another post, women, no matter how hot, don't truly believe they are beautiful. Therefor, you "opinion" of her her looks really means nothing in reality.
Now, if you and the guy who thinks she is a 5 both approach her, you might be gearing up to mirror her frame and make sure you treat her as a special case, while the other guy, who is not impressed will approach her like she is completely average.
Because guy number 2 is not very impressed with her, his "natural" frame will be confident, unneedy, relaxed, disinterested, feeling overqualified for her, and unaffected by her possible rejection. DJ qualities.
At the same time, you, who are secretly enamored by her, and believing that she is some special case who needs special attention and special treatment, are going to pretend to be confident, unneedy, relaxed, disinterested, feeling overqualified for her, and unaffected by her possible rejection, because that is what you may have been led to believe is the "best way" to get her attracted to you.
Now who do you think will come off as most sincere? Who will actually believe in there own frame? Who is being "real?" Who will be least affected by her possible rejection? And who is more likely to get her in bed?
The truth is that either guy might succeed, but both are actually losers. One guy gets the girls he didn't really want, while the other gets her under false pretences.
Now lets look at how guy #3 transcends the useless HB scale, and gets the right information to make an intelligent decision as to whether he wants her at all. Did you get that? In cased you missed it, here it is again:
"A successful, authentic man gets sufficient information, to make an intelligent decision, be it yes, or no."
He realizes that a judgment based on initial attraction levels is not sufficient information. He does not look around at women, see them as an HB whatever, and then make decisions based on that. He is concerned with what type of woman she is.
Here are 4 classes of women. Feel free to add or modify:
B!tches (fvck anyone but you, and are selfish beings)
$luts (fvck anyone they want)
WH0RES (fvck anyone for the right price)
Good Women (will like you for you)
Most women will be a combination of any of these qualities, with some exhibiting all 4.
Can a good woman sometimes be a B!tch? Sure she can. Can she also sometimes be a slut or a WH0RE? Of course. What fun would she be otherwise?
It's okay for a good woman to have some of these qualities. Whats not Okay is for a b!tch, slut or hore to NOT have any of the qualities that make a good woman valuable. She may be a 10 in looks to you, but she may not actually be worth your while. The qualities of what defines a good woman will depend on you personal preference. I wont attempt to fully define a good woman.
In conclusion. If you make it your objective to not judge women based on HB ratings, but whether or not she is a worthwhile girl, you will not get your self into an insincere or tricky spot.
Your objective is simply to "discover," if the woman in question is worth your time or not. By just being you, and treating her as "just a person who may or may not meet your standards" you will find out quickly and easily.