The Official Thread That Gets You Laid...

[Reluctant_Seducer]

There is ONLY ONE thing you MUST be good at in order to be a master seducer with woman..and it is SEX.You can do all the self-help courses,read all the books,listen to all the CDs,watch all the DVDs,approach all the ugly girls,hype yourself up,use affirmations,hypnosis or 'positive thinking' all you want..but if you are clueless in bed..guess what? you have NO chance of becoming that don juan or seducer you have been dreaming of.

why?
because all the posturing,all the acting,faking til making it,'pea ****ing',regurgitating pick up lines,working out your pecs and or abs til they resemble chiseled steel,have the latest threads,think (more like deluding yourself lol) that you are 'da man' and the catch and even act ****y and funny about it..NONE OF IT,none of it,none of it matters..IF you are cluess in the sack.

Think about it..you do all of this and even if you are that great and faking the funk,what happens when you do actually bag her? and you fall horribly short?what a disappointment.It's like all that hype for so little (pun?) return,not only will you look like an idiot but your ego will take a massive hit and either you will overcompensate and look like a bigger douche..OR you can actually do something constructive in actually gaining sexual confidence,instead of covering it up with a bunch of BS.

Don't get me wrong,I love the 'idea' of self-improvement and having a life outside of woman,getting your life together til getting involved or thinking about girls (da dj way?) but what are you going to do til then? just whack off and use positive thoughts and affirmations to get girls? give me a break..I think alot of the seduction community is just a big hazy fluff of BS intended to get guys hopes up in the long run and a way for the top gurus to deepen their pockets.

And why? because you are a little insecure? give me a break,cry me a river already..better yet.Go out and get laid,TALK to some girls,give it your best shot and if you fail? so what? taking action is better then deluding yourself with 'positive' thoughts and more BS waiting for that 'perfect' moment in life.

The truth about it is..the only only only only only only thing you MUST be good at..is SEX.Understanding and seeing the cues of interest and sexual attraction,what it FEELS like during the process of the 'sexual attraction' and how to ride out the sexual chemistry til it gets you into the bedroom..and thats it.You can be the most insecure,self-righteous,lazy,scum bag,arrogant,irate and just the trash of the earth..but if you are amazing in the bedroom and able to communicate it directly and indirectly in a non-threatening or slimy scary rapist sort of way..you are in! You can be insecure about anything in the world..you can even be unsure of your sexuality ,you can even be bisexual ..BUT if you are insecure with your sexuality with a woman..your chances are pretty much shot.Even if you have to sleep with a couple dozen 5s-6s til you score nothing but 8s-9s..you will get there alot quicker then the guy that gets laid far and few and out of sheer luck.

You have to be sexually aware,the real type of sexually aware of her cues...not the BS that they spout in these ridiculous seduction manuals and sites (fluffing her hair,exposing the neckline etc.;give me a fawking break lol) and the only way to actually become sexually aware is to be really in tune with your sexual feelings at the core and having the ability to completely satisfy and ravage a woman sexually.

The only other things- (just a refresher mini-course)

do what you want,make no excuses

avoid doing anything stupid or screams out 'desperation'.

Be completely oblivious and non-reactive to her beauty(though always being aware of it) and treat her the way she deserves to be treated.

Always say less and reveal less then needed.

Use sex as YOUR leverage tool,take it away from her.You must hold the cards in the bedroom..NOT her.



how does one come about gaining true sexual confidence?

more to come later on..just wanted to get my point of view across,I know many others have their own answers and you are free to share.But if you are online more then you are out there getting laid...then there is a big problem lol.You can have your entire life together and be the perfect dj or whatever ..but things just don't pop out of your azz when you 'think' the time is right and it's 'time' to 'get girls'.There is more to life then girls and sex..of course,but then again if it was so then why are there soo many guys here so dead on about getting them if they aren't that important? dude,get a life and get laid..it'll do soo much more for your confidence levels in sex then anything you could possibly read or watch on tv..do it (and use a condom-EVERYTIME )

You want advice on becoming a 'better person' or learning about posturing and building up an 'image' of being a dj..fine..look somewhere else,I am pretty sure there are TONs of people here that will be more then happy to recite and recycle hundreds of memorized paragraphs and lines engraved into their brains..you want support and insight that will actually help you get laid..this is the thread to be in. we are on the same level,we are all trying to get laid,get the girl and bust a nut..I will not delude you with holier then thou non-sense or delusional BS that alot people spew..I will only speak what is helpful and tell it like it is.

I will only be able to be here on Sundays because of my work schedule but will try to help out as much as I can and keep it updated with my OWN experiences and goals in the game of seduction.Real shiet..either field reports or game nights,lays etc. This is my version of a support group for other guys on the same page..please stay on topic and keep the negative BS for some other posts..I have a nasty tongue and will gladly lash out on trolls or troublemakers.This is the thread for guys that want to get laid and gain sexual confidence.


kaybye..will be checking up again around 4 or so.:wave:

 

[Luke Skywalker]

So, what you are saying is people should just use hookers, go overseas on sex tours where you can get a girl more cheaper (it's actually cost-effective too the trip pays for itself if you stay with an escort for about two days - so if you stay a week or couple of weeks with TWO OR MORE third world cheap escorts at your bedside and company - it's cheaper than staying with a North American escort for about two days), or going after known skanks and slvts to hope someone gives you good sympathy fvcks after going all out to find them. Go after MILFs and hopefully find a hot cougar that will teach all the ropes?

Is that your advice you are saying here?

Because nothing else makes sence - you need experience in the first place, and if nobody is giving it to you - then what are you going to do?

 

[Reluctant_Seducer]

Is that your advice you are saying here?

Because nothing else makes sence - you need experience in the first place, and if nobody is giving it to you - then what are you going to do?

not necessarily..I will reveal how even the lack of experience can be horribly attractive and alluring.The problem that most guys with inexperience is that they project a sense of unworthiness and a thought process/belief of being not good enough or whatever enough to get laid in the first place...I will show you how reverse that thinking process and help you out instead of hurt you.

Been there..done that.It's all in your head (yes,that's a hint)

Is a hero born a hero or was he always one? was his spirit brought out through the right experiences and circumstances that led him to become a hero? in order for the right things to happen you have to be in the situations and circumstances for things to happen naturally and take place on their own.

You don't have to be a master seducer to get laid and you don't have to be a hero to do the right thing..you just have to be in certain situations and have the readiful mindset.


If you think hookers and escorts if the only way to go about it,it only reveals your narrow way of thinking and will only limit your own success..no sweat off my back.I could care less...go for it.

 

[LostAndConfused]

Little bit of a contradiction there.

 

[Thorns]

I do agree that there should be a few more threads on 'in the bed' and possible 'afterwards' but much of what this article discusses is true. I have personally experienced the allure of being good in bed (So much so that one girl keeps coming back no matter what), though one does need to get there in order to show it. I think that what reluctant is trying to convey is that you want to improve in bed, and once you do that knowledge will help in many other areas, and especially set your mind at ease once you get to the end result of your BS.

I'm going to post another article up here that I think needs much addressing about a subject I've found in MANY recent posts here and there.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

It seemed to me you are saying the only way to get laid is to get laid, but I could be wrong, would you like to explain then what you mean then in terms of having a helpful mindset?

 

[snowdog]

Ok, got one for ya. Give me some tips to turn a conversation sexual. When i talk to a girl i like i try to project as much sexuality on them as possible, but yet all those conversations don't get much deeper then the average one.

 

[ChrizZ]

Ok, got one for ya. Give me some tips to turn a conversation sexual. When i talk to a girl i like i try to project as much sexuality on them as possible, but yet all those conversations don't get much deeper then the average one.

here is how you do it. Don't compliment her on her looks. Hot women get that all the time. Compliment her (in a sexual way) about something unique and compelling about her. Then escalate more and more with kino etc.

The key is to escalate from a place of mutual comfort and then to keep escalating.

Example:

Her: I want to become a doctor.
You: Oh, sexy and caring. I like that about you.

 

[Maxtro]

Uh I don't see the point of this thread. Yes I am a sexually inexperienced guy. Unless I read it incorrectly, I can't get woman till I become experienced? :crazy:

 

[playa99]

the man speaks the truth lol

 

[Reluctant_Seducer]

The Intent of this thread.

Little bit of a contradiction there.

actually there may be more then that..but than again...that's life and how it works most of the time isn't it?

like you all I have harbored and studied my brains out about this stuff..everything from pick up to seduction gurus to all sorts of mumbo jumbo..and get this..I was never really far off or that bad to begin with when I got into this stuff way back in 01 (when I didn't even know about seduction,gaming or pick up) not since being among this type of community have I been soo discouraged,disillusioned,confused and just fawked up in general..why? because it teaches you how to 'better yourself' ..but at a high cost..it costs most their identity and genuine personality quirks that are being drilled out of them..things that make you 'you' and no one else,forced to be these cookie board cut-out replicates of alpha males or the social butterfly..even if we are not in the first place..faking it til making it,'be someone else' basically..it's called selling out,following blindingly and selling yourself short because you think it's the right thing to do or something 'you have to' on order to get the girl.It's all BS and it's really off putting to me when looking back at it all.I hate that stuff in all honestly..I mean,self-improvement is great and you are trying to better yourselves..that's always a good thing but don't try to delude the point ..the original point..and that IS to get laid and get the girls correct?

In the next following weeks I will be actively pursuing the beginning of what I call the perfection of sex..I have all the knowledge in my brain all wired up and I am sure most of you do as well,I know the pain and heartache of going through this process alone,going to the bars alone,thinking of that girl..feeling guilty about it,no one to talk to or relate to without feeling like a total douche..I wanted to make a thread about what it takes,where you are and what you are doing RIGHT NOW that makes a difference..flame,spew,dish out all the crap you want to if you feel a need but wouldn't you rather help out your fellow brothers get the hieny hole?


Look,I have issues..I am sure we ALL do.
But it's about time we get some play in spite of our flaws,differences or self-procieved lacks (because that's really all they are)


Another gem of wisdom I picked up on through the years is..most don't lack the knowledge to get the girls,most lack the emotional understanding and capacity of how to deal with our sexual feelings appropriately and how to express these emotions in a way that entices and seduces a girl at her core..what this means is that I bet alot of guys KNOW how to get the girl and get laid but they kinda fall short on understanding exactly the importance of sexual feelings and their role in the attraction process itself.Most guys when starting this stuff have all these sexual feelings I bet..but no outlet nor a healthy way to express themselves..frustrating isn't it?


All sexual awareness means is being aware of sexual feelings and understanding them in a way that allows one to be aware of it's presence (sexual attraction) and how to use it as a tool to meet their sexual desires. Can you tell if a person is good in bed or spectacular? can you tell if you and someone would be a sexual match in heaven? can you be attracted to one person for no other reason then just 'knowing' your bodies are in tune? that's sexual awareness...I have been dabbling in this subject for a while but only now will I hone in on this subject intensely..I am not just looking for a quick lay or bed as many girls as I can..I am purposely trying to gain the most insight and experience on this subject as possible.

What is my purpose? I want to have a life filled with pleasurable sexual experiences and in hopes of maybe falling in love one day and being able to be the sexual dynamo that my girl deserves and desires.

Don't lie..every guy wants sex and wants it to be the most amazing experience there is and with the most beautiful girls out there.Yes,there are other things in life other then sex and woman..but you'd be lying if they aren't up there with the most important things.

 

[Maxtro]

I thought your thread was going be pretty useless until I got to this part.

Another gem of wisdom I picked up on through the years is..most don't lack the knowledge to get the girls,most lack the emotional understanding and capacity of how to deal with our sexual feelings appropriately and how to express these emotions in a way that entices and seduces a girl at her core..what this means is that I bet alot of guys KNOW how to get the girl and get laid but they kinda fall short on understanding exactly the importance of sexual feelings and their role in the attraction process itself.Most guys when starting this stuff have all these sexual feelings I bet..but no outlet nor a healthy way to express themselves..frustrating isn't it?

I agree 1,000% This is what I'm stuck on. I've read so much material I could write my own PU books. But for some reason I don't know how to apply any of it to women. You put me in a room alone with a beautiful woman and I'll go as far as small talk with her. Talking about her life, work and family I wouldn't be able to physically make a move on her. But if she initiated, then I will be able to unleash my beast. How funny. I feel like I have a beast inside of me that is just dieing to get out and run wild but I don't know how to unleash it.

All sexual awareness means is being aware of sexual feelings and understanding them in a way that allows one to be aware of it's presence (sexual attraction) and how to use it as a tool to meet their sexual desires. Can you tell if a person is good in bed or spectacular? can you tell if you and someone would be a sexual match in heaven? can you be attracted to one person for no other reason then just 'knowing' your bodies are in tune? that's sexual awareness...I have been dabbling in this subject for a while but only now will I hone in on this subject intensely..I am not just looking for a quick lay or bed as many girls as I can..I am purposely trying to gain the most insight and experience on this subject as possible.

What is my purpose? I want to have a life filled with pleasurable sexual experiences and in hopes of maybe falling in love one day and being able to be the sexual dynamo that my girl deserves and desires.

Don't lie..every guy wants sex and wants it to be the most amazing experience there is and with the most beautiful girls out there.Yes,there are other things in life other then sex and woman..but you'd be lying if they aren't up there with the most important things.

I don't have much sexual awareness but I have done a lot of reading and watched a lot of porn. I know that it doesn't count for shit in real life but I don't really care. There are so many things that I want to try out with women, I have a huge desire to learn. I just need somebody to practice with.

My purpose is similar to yours. But at this point I want to have sex with a ton of women. I feel that I have been cheated out of women in sex my whole life and I want to make up for it, a hundred fold. My goal in life is to always have a young girl in her 20's to fuck. No matter how old I am or if I'm married or not I always want to have babe to screw.

 

[Dongfu]

read my book - there is a cant miss section in thier about how to be the best fvck a girl has ever had. If you arent using this technique, you are missing the picture big time.

 

[Reluctant_Seducer]

I thought your thread was going be pretty useless until I got to this part...

lol sorry brother,didn't mean to cut out your reply but not a fan of large quoting


I think alot of us at on the same level..we have all this 'knowledge' on how to seduce,make love and satisfy girls..but when the time comes time to even approach or talk to one...what happens?

we clam up,our emotional minds take over and we are stilted,nervous,anxious,our emotional reactions betray us and make us intensely aware of everything that's going on..the only thing is..it's not allowing us to feel the way we want to..

confident

poised

sexually receptive and responsive

instead it's like all of our emotions are going haywire..ever been in an earth quake or there is a loud bang and all of your senses are completely disoriented? I find that it's a similar feeling to that.Not saying I know why this happens or that I have all the answers..what I am saying is that..okay,this happens because of so and so..recognize it,deal with it,understand that it's going to take place regardless of whatever silly affirmation you repeat to yourself a million times or however you rationalize it.

We may not be able to consciously mute these types of emotional responses that go haywire..BUT we can actively CHOOSE to act regardless.Becoming acquired in how to DEAL with those feelings and what to do when they do arise.It can be done with repetition,exposure and taking action until we are no longer at the welm of them but in control of them and know how to act accordingly in those types of situation..at last we have confidence in the matter..and we will act confidently because we will have confidence in our thoghts,because we have been through it a million times..maybe even after many many many failures until that fateful success that builds to more and more.One of the ways the military trains boys into soldiers is to exposing them to an extreme amount of stress and shock...you can't learn to be a man or deal with intense situations with played out scenarios in text books or practice drills..you have to be out there in the heat of the action,get your hands dirty and knuckle up if you want to achieve what you set out to obtain..confidence.


Another thing I have learned..you can never replace actual experience and reality with imagination and expectancy.I mean,you can think about perfecting the art of seduction and imagining greatness all you want to but nothing beats out the nitty gritty of being heart broken,going and putting yourself out there and doing whatever it takes in order to succeed in the world of sex and woman..I believe it's what separates the wusses from the real players,seducers and don juans.ANYONE can recite,memorize and replay these perfect little scanarios in their minds,endless amounts of affirmations and suggestions,enough info that oozes out your ear drums but only the few have the nuevos to go out there and do what needs to be done in order to be the best they can be in this lifestyle.:rockon:

Most if not all insecurities are self-induced anyways...it's just one big fawking delusion.People can be convinced of all sorts of crazy things if there is enough proof.Be careful of what you believe about yourself..because if it ain't helpful..it'll only poison everything you touch.


Sorry if it sounds like a preaching session but I just have alot I have been holding inside for soo long lol.


and for the older dj's maybe shaking their heads in shame? give us a break lol.
alot of us are in our late teens or mid 20s,you may have tons of wisdom to offer us youngans but don't tell me that when you were our age the only thing you could think about was the hieny hole rofl.:yes:

Maybe you can offer us advice on starting up a retirement fund or a savings bond for our grand children? (jk,just busting your chops old timers) :crazy:

 

[Reluctant_Seducer]

I thought your thread was going be pretty useless until I got to this part.

I agree 1,000% This is what I'm stuck on. I've read so much material I could write my own PU books. But for some reason I don't know how to apply any of it to women. You put me in a room alone with a beautiful woman and I'll go as far as small talk with her. Talking about her life, work and family I wouldn't be able to physically make a move on her. But if she initiated, then I will be able to unleash my beast. How funny. I feel like I have a beast inside of me that is just dieing to get out and run wild but I don't know how to unleash it.

I don't have much sexual awareness but I have done a lot of reading and watched a lot of porn. I know that it doesn't count for shit in real life but I don't really care. There are so many things that I want to try out with women, I have a huge desire to learn. I just need somebody to practice with.

My purpose is similar to yours. But at this point I want to have sex with a ton of women. I feel that I have been cheated out of women in sex my whole life and I want to make up for it, a hundred fold. My goal in life is to always have a young girl in her 20's to fuck. No matter how old I am or if I'm married or not I always want to have babe to screw.

not a fan of large text quoting but ..

the next time you are talking to a girl..examine how you are feeling,what's going through your mind,your physiology,what's taking place inside of you and how she is responding.Focus more on how you FEEL not the context or the dialog that's taking place..it's a more accurate gauge in showing whats really going on inside of you and a clearer indication of what needs to be done to get over the road blocks. The saying about rapport is so true..people respond and react exactly on how you are feeling and how you are expressing yourself.

However you feel and your core beliefs concerning girls,sex and relationships will always be communicated through how you think,act and ultimately FEEL and in the end result in your experiences with woman.The most important thing about all of this is how you FEEL towards girls and less in terms of what you actually THINK about them.I believe you can actually HATE woman but if you have an overwhelming sexual desire to be with one..ultimately your emotions will take over and though you may have conflicting issues mentally,your physical desires will outweigh your mental ones.It's kinda like when guys stop masturbating in hopes of better chances to score..what they are really doing is trying to up their chances of getting laid by increasing their desires (while removing instant gratification) so that their sexual desires will hopefully outweigh their mental anxieties about sex.They will be so horny that not even being insecure will stop them,their desires will be the stronger motivating factor.

If you are asking her 20 questions it's no doubt going to have her be put in a position of 'oh great,not another guy trying to get into my pants' mode.

I find that if there is no attraction nor chemistry I either just be quiet though owning my space and making little chat chat of just giving them a 'hard time' flirtingly (jokingly) not exactly ****y funny nor negging.More so acting as if I was Bruce Willis or Ryan Reynolds busting their chops just for kicks,not always in the dialog but more so in the delivery and tone..I find that it does more for attraction then playing it safe or asking for their resume in their field of love lol. Most people respond favorably to it..if not then fawk em. who wants a prude anways?

 

[Reluctant_Seducer]

Uh I don't see the point of this thread. Yes I am a sexually inexperienced guy. Unless I read it incorrectly, I can't get woman till I become experienced? :crazy:

it's a thread soley on the focus of helping guys get laid.

Theres plenty of self-help guides and threads out there..though I may interject tips and such about self-improvement but it really boils down to hittin' skins and getting the cooter..basically.


You don't have to be super experienced to get laid.

Think about it..is it better to be genuinely open about your inexperience and a desire to have more or is it better to fake the funk,leading her on having her think you are this great master of love only to be plop her with a wet spaghetti noodle because you are too nervous or pop the sausage as soon as you take your boxers off?

girls (and people in general) hate being led on or lied to.IMO it's best to be truthful in your intentions.Not saying you need to announce it to every girl you meet as soon as you exchange names but it's something that will have to come up (pun?) eventually. Most girls would be flattered you chose them to be the one to gain experience with NOT offended nor discouraged.Think about it..just how flattering if she found out she was number 345 or 346..wow...great,bet she feels sooo special lol.Sex is something to be enjoyed and pleasurable..not just another deed to do.Alot of girls I believe are alot more understanding (and willing) to be with an inexperienced person then a self-righteous flake/phoney baloney.

Most guys will just sleep with anyone and even if they do have confidence they are pricks.You are the far and few..still innocent sexually somewhat,unsure,untouched and still in that shaky exciting and new to sex..it's a very exciting time in a young persons life..enjoy it. It becomes an asset when you think about it..in a world were sex can be casual and just something to do,when it's still kinda a big deal..it places value on the person as well as the person involved in sex.It's valuable because it's scarce.

just another way of looking at things...

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Oh, great, so now we are looking for pity lays again. Well, then I concede to your topic, I've tried it, and I've only attracted in the past either older women, or types of women (skanky types) my parents interfare with me meeting because they slept with lots of men. No normal girl is going to be flattered by being my first because if she were - it would probably be a wait until marriage policy - and if she was not that type of girl, then being a virgin does not score any points. Being a masculine type of guy does, and masculine guys aren't virgins because they got laid before.

Men would be flattered if he was a girl's first, but a normal type girl would look at you like you are wierd or something and just get turned off. Now, maybe if you had 4-5 girls in the past and she was the 6th, then that would look more normal - so of course nobody is going to be flattered being a 454th girl, but if you had a relationship history and they were a number on it - I'm sure that would work better than her being a first.

 

[Reluctant_Seducer]

Oh, great, so now we are looking for pity lays again. Well, then I concede to your topic, I've tried it, and I've only attracted in the past either older women, or types of women (skanky types) my parents interfare with me meeting because they slept with lots of men. No normal girl is going to be flattered by being my first because if she were - it would probably be a wait until marriage policy - and if she was not that type of girl, then being a virgin does not score any points. Being a masculine type of guy does, and masculine guys aren't virgins because they got laid before.

Men would be flattered if he was a girl's first, but a normal type girl would look at you like you are wierd or something and just get turned off. Now, maybe if you had 4-5 girls in the past and she was the 6th, then that would look more normal - so of course nobody is going to be flattered being a 454th girl, but if you had a relationship history and they were a number on it - I'm sure that would work better than her being a first.

you're looking for road blocks and only seeing obstacles..it's beyond the point of help.Quite honestly all you'll do is either find doubt or create your own obstacles to deal with or make up excuses for yourself of why it's flawed or nothing new..kewls,it bothers me none.

You're thinking is flawed.I may be the most irate,tired,grumpy,self-absorbed and loathsome person in the world..but I know what works and what doesn't.

This is not about pity lays nor being the first or five hundred and 15ths this is about doing what it takes and in spite of all the flaws one may have or whatever BS that may arise..you can moan and whine all you want why something won't work or make excuse after excuse..or you can use your time more wisely.

You get what you expect in this world..plain and simple.

If I were you I'd think about why you should be getting laid instead of the reasons why you aren't...if not,it's cool.It really bothers me none and makes no difference.

This thread is to help guys not discourage them or give them more reasons not to getting to where they want to be...

 

[Ace of Flames]

Failure thread is failure.

You can be amazing at sex and still horrible at picking up women. The two issues don't overlap as much as you'd think.

EDIT: Woot, 1,500th post!

 

[Reluctant_Seducer]

Failure thread is failure.

You can be amazing at sex and still horrible at picking up women. The two issues don't overlap as much as you'd think.

EDIT: Woot, 1,500th post!

gee that's great..anything other nuggets of wisdumb you'd like to share with us or are you here just to post vvhore? :yawn:

I actually agree with your statement, but the douchiness if your delivery makes me question your intent.