"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
The official feminism thread [Merged threads]
- Thread starter Blue Phoenix
- Start date
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
lol...my reasons for not having any interest in dating a "DJ" has nothing to do with my status as a parent. It's about values. I'm not a hooch and I don't do casual sex. I only have sex within a relationship. I have very high standards when it comes to men and I hold myself to those same high standards. If I am a high quality LTR geared woman then why on earth would I want anything at all to do with a player or some guy who is just looking for meaningless sex with random women?
This site does have value, but I've spent far too long trying to decipher it all. I'd come away feeling more stressed about my situation than if I hadn't visited in the first place. I'm finally coming to the realization that "techniques" are pretty much useless in trying to get someone attracted to you who isn't already predisposed to be.
A lot of guys just don't realize that C&F, lines, tactics, etc, aren't going to "make" someone attracted to you. If you walked up to a woman you rated a HB9 (or whatever) and used some C&F line to make her laugh, get her phone #, and later sex her, how in the hell can you "prove" that using certain techniques made it happen? Do you really think she would've given you the time of day if she wasn't already attracted to you in the first place?
Feminism isn't why I'm an AFC. It's my lack of understanding due to my inexperience in dealing with different women (and other important factors). Some people catch a lucky break and end up in relationships that are healthy and allow them to grow and develop even if it ends on a bad note. Some people aren't as lucky and have to deal with a larger learning curve because of bad experiences/environment or they just don't know any better.
I could have had sex with a number of women but I chose not to. I used to look down on them for being desperate, but look at me......I'm on a website trying to learn how to seduce them (However I have a different mindset from when I first came, and my focus has shifted dramatically).
Regardless if women "know" about DJ tactics or not, they will ALWAYS want to be picked up by men they VALUE. A guy using lines, routines, and tactics is too focused on the superficial and not the inner workings of himself and the reasons he feels he has to do these things to succeed, and in reality he doesn't need them. I see proof of this all around me everyday.
A lot of guys just don't realize that C&F, lines, tactics, etc, aren't going to "make" someone attracted to you. If you walked up to a woman you rated a HB9 (or whatever) and used some C&F line to make her laugh, get her phone #, and later sex her, how in the hell can you "prove" that using certain techniques made it happen? Do you really think she would've given you the time of day if she wasn't already attracted to you in the first place?
Feminism isn't why I'm an AFC. It's my lack of understanding due to my inexperience in dealing with different women (and other important factors). Some people catch a lucky break and end up in relationships that are healthy and allow them to grow and develop even if it ends on a bad note. Some people aren't as lucky and have to deal with a larger learning curve because of bad experiences/environment or they just don't know any better.
I could have had sex with a number of women but I chose not to. I used to look down on them for being desperate, but look at me......I'm on a website trying to learn how to seduce them (However I have a different mindset from when I first came, and my focus has shifted dramatically).
Regardless if women "know" about DJ tactics or not, they will ALWAYS want to be picked up by men they VALUE. A guy using lines, routines, and tactics is too focused on the superficial and not the inner workings of himself and the reasons he feels he has to do these things to succeed, and in reality he doesn't need them. I see proof of this all around me everyday.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Lost In Translation
Master Don Juan
Wyldfire,A-Unit,comic_relief
This thread is not about me.
it's not about Don Juans.
it's not about hurting women.
i am not angry at women.
i am angry with the media.
this thread is about looking at the newspaper articles
and the articles in dolly/cosmo/cleo
looking at how much influence they have on young women
why these articles don't let women make up their own mind if its good or bad that men want to learn how to interact with them
why are the articles so biased
why are they so biased to the point that they are creating an anti Don Juan backlash among young women
where is the root of this problem ?
it is a discussion about the bigger picture
but all i hear is "i don't care it doesn't affect me. why should i care"
how about you stop looking in the mirror admiring your Don Juan self for 5 minutes and look at society as a whole and the problems it faces
OTHERWISE STAY THE F*CK OFF THE THREAD
go love yourself someplace else
all you Don Juans that say you wouldn't associate with some chick that says it's stupid
or care
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT OF THIS THREAD
it is not about us. we are already saved.
just like the church their greatest problem is they think only of themselves and they get comfortable being safe
they forget about going outside the church walls and preaching Jesus
we end up with fat well fed christians
but the rest of the world goes to hell
Lost In Translation
**AUSTRALIAN STREET PIMP**
This thread is not about me.
it's not about Don Juans.
it's not about hurting women.
i am not angry at women.
i am angry with the media.
this thread is about looking at the newspaper articles
and the articles in dolly/cosmo/cleo
looking at how much influence they have on young women
why these articles don't let women make up their own mind if its good or bad that men want to learn how to interact with them
why are the articles so biased
why are they so biased to the point that they are creating an anti Don Juan backlash among young women
where is the root of this problem ?
it is a discussion about the bigger picture
but all i hear is "i don't care it doesn't affect me. why should i care"
how about you stop looking in the mirror admiring your Don Juan self for 5 minutes and look at society as a whole and the problems it faces
OTHERWISE STAY THE F*CK OFF THE THREAD
go love yourself someplace else
all you Don Juans that say you wouldn't associate with some chick that says it's stupid
or care
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT OF THIS THREAD
it is not about us. we are already saved.
just like the church their greatest problem is they think only of themselves and they get comfortable being safe
they forget about going outside the church walls and preaching Jesus
we end up with fat well fed christians
but the rest of the world goes to hell
Lost In Translation
**AUSTRALIAN STREET PIMP**
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
I'm sorry if I misunderstood the text on this thread. If i quoted you wrong then I am sorry about what I said because I misunderstood it. Now to get on with your new post for better clarification on the post.Originally posted by Lost In Translation
Wyldfire,A-Unit,comic_relief
This thread is not about me.
it's not about Don Juans.
it's not about hurting women.
i am not angry at women.
i am angry with the media.
this thread is about looking at the newspaper articles
and the articles in dolly/cosmo/cleo
looking at how much influence they have on young women
why these articles don't let women make up their own mind if its good or bad that men want to learn how to interact with them
why are the articles so biased
why are they so biased to the point that they are creating an anti Don Juan backlash among young women
where is the root of this problem ?
it is a discussion about the bigger picture
but all i hear is "i don't care it doesn't affect me. why should i care"
how about you stop looking in the mirror admiring your Don Juan self for 5 minutes and look at society as a whole and the problems it faces
OTHERWISE STAY THE F*CK OFF THE THREAD
go love yourself someplace else
all you Don Juans that say you wouldn't associate with some chick that says it's stupid
or care
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT OF THIS THREAD
it is not about us. we are already saved.
just like the church their greatest problem is they think only of themselves and they get comfortable being safe
they forget about going outside the church walls and preaching Jesus
we end up with fat well fed christians
but the rest of the world goes to hell
Lost In Translation
**AUSTRALIAN STREET PIMP**
The media does suck. I wont' deny it. I just can't deny it. They force feed people information as long as people listen to it.
Whats the chances that this will stop being a trend though? Not very good BUT we can make a difference by stopping others from watching it by telling them not to watch tv anymore and showing all the good stuff out there without the media.
I am currently showing people what is outside of tv land and in the real world where things actually happen. Yes, there is a world out there.
why these articles don't let women make up their own mind if its good or bad that men want to learn how to interact with them
The articles choose for them? Thats a good question that deserves an answer. The answer as far as I am concerned is that the women choose for themselves but they do not look to make an informed decision because of the daily programming of data over the past decades and years. This causes problems because when they find a DJ they lose their own power that they are used to. Why would anyone want to give power up? Did the kings that had rebellion of democratic nations trying to break away just say go? NO! He fought them and guess what we as DJ's must fight the onslaught trying to kill the male movement.
why are the articles so biased
The articles are so biased because how many times do you see good things that sell decently? Not as many as bad things. Plus most movie companies and book companies want to keep the AFC movement alive that is what sells movies and books.
why are they so biased to the point that they are creating an anti Don Juan backlash among young women
People in general are completely scared to death about actually going outside of their comfort zone that they will fight it. DJ-ism is not new but most don't have it so they are scared about it. Therefor why wouldn't they be scared? They have lived that way their entire lives or they know it makes money.
where is the root of this problem ?
The root of the problem is not feminists but people who are frightened by DJ-ism. Frightened that males will and can become stronger again. They can regain control of their destiny. They can all become DJ's.
As to my attitude that I gained from this site. I am currently helping my friends get rid of AFCism. I talk about different tactics with about six or seven friends. This usually leads into my sex life. Not that big of a deal but I don't talk about my current girlfriend in the conversations. I try to explain that aspirations and dreams are much more important but no one or few seems to want to take that message. My friends still think even after my success that women is all that count in this world. They haven't grasped the concept of detachment.
There is too much investment in a long beheld belief that women make you complete. Eventually some will just give up but I will never give up on them. I must teach them how to live life to its fullest.
comic_relief
Reborn Don Juan
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comic_relief is right. There is too much investment in a long beheld belief that women make you complete.
The radio will tell you all you need to know regarding this. Pick any love ballad by any male singer.
Fuck, take the song off Don Juan's OST: Bryan Adams' Have You Ever Really Loved A Woman.
The movie about the guy who's epithep we want to achieve itself tells us lies!
The radio will tell you all you need to know regarding this. Pick any love ballad by any male singer.
Fuck, take the song off Don Juan's OST: Bryan Adams' Have You Ever Really Loved A Woman.
The movie about the guy who's epithep we want to achieve itself tells us lies!
MacDiddy
Master Don Juan
Wyld: you've been on Sosuave for so long the mystery and goodness
of seduction has totally elluded you. Almost dulled your senses.
You know all our tricks, our motives and intentions but you forget to realize that we are genetically programmed to get into a chicks panties by any means neccessary. We are doing it for the survival of the human species.
Its gonna be a long time before you feel the depths of attraction once more, the tingling sensations of sexual chemistry and the butterflies in your stomach when you're in love.
of seduction has totally elluded you. Almost dulled your senses.
You know all our tricks, our motives and intentions but you forget to realize that we are genetically programmed to get into a chicks panties by any means neccessary. We are doing it for the survival of the human species.
Its gonna be a long time before you feel the depths of attraction once more, the tingling sensations of sexual chemistry and the butterflies in your stomach when you're in love.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
This place hasn't changed how I react to men at all. I've always reacted as I do now. What it has changed is the way I view men. Being here has made me see quite clearly that far too many men are lazy, selfish and irresponsible. I don't see many men on here who are capable of acknowledging their mistakes honestly. Most just blame everyone and anything else they can come up with. They think they can have relationships without putting any real effort at all into them and do all the taking and none of the giving. And while they can be as flawed and miserable as they feel like, the second a woman makes a mistake most guys on here act as if she's killed your mother. Before coming here, anytime a woman said men have double standards and behaved this way...I stuck up for men and defended them. Basically, being here has made me honestly think less of men than I did.
As far as any of that effecting my ability to love...it hasn't. I love someone very deeply, in fact. I just won't ever date or get involved with someone who doesn't get to know me first as a friend.
Don Juanabbe
Master Don Juan
Like we give a sh*t.
Why is it every important thread on here has to turn into wyldfire's pajama party?
Oh hey everyone, look at me, listen to my problems.....
Exactly...and THAT is the problem with the guys here. Most are so focused on changing themselves for the wrong reasons that they turn into robots who don't feel, don't care and don't even really live...they just go through these programmed motions. But none of it means anything or has any higher purpose.Originally posted by Don Juanabbe
Like we give a sh*t.
I'm not big on plastic people and robotic existences. There are a few REAL guys on here, but a lot more plastic guys. Not my thing...
biker_gixxer
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It doesn't really matter if women are becoming more aware of men's pickup tactics thanks to its recent mainstream exposure. If you're good enough, they STILL won't know what you're doing.
Exactly. True pimps work in Stealth Mode. By the time she realizes it, it's to late, she is hooked and baited and doing things out of character.
Exactly. True pimps work in Stealth Mode. By the time she realizes it, it's to late, she is hooked and baited and doing things out of character.
biker_gixxer
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they just go through these programmed motions.
I can see wyldfire's point. I think allot of those workshops produce these types of traits. It's like mass producing DJ's, there is no originality, and the girls can see right through it. They know if someone is 'acting' a part, or if it's natural.
I can see wyldfire's point. I think allot of those workshops produce these types of traits. It's like mass producing DJ's, there is no originality, and the girls can see right through it. They know if someone is 'acting' a part, or if it's natural.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Good_ol_boy
Senior Don Juan
Wyld,
Usually, I tend to agree with you (before you numbnuts come rushing in shouting "AFC", save it--your opinion of me is none of my business ), but this time I differ.
"Being here has made me see quite clearly that far too many men are lazy, selfish and irresponsible."
It's not men, it's everyone!! It didn't used to be this way, but over the last 20 years, things have gone down hill.
Usually, I tend to agree with you (before you numbnuts come rushing in shouting "AFC", save it--your opinion of me is none of my business ), but this time I differ.
"Being here has made me see quite clearly that far too many men are lazy, selfish and irresponsible."
It's not men, it's everyone!! It didn't used to be this way, but over the last 20 years, things have gone down hill.
Well, I always knew that most women were this way...but I didn't think most men did as well. I actually came here with a higher opinion of men than I had of women. That has changed. I used to sympathize with men about how society portrayed them. I really don't anymore because being here has shown me that society isn't so far off base afterall. When I do move on from this site I will leave being incredibly disappointed in men. It's really too bad...
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
could we get back to the original purpose of this thread please. I have tried to keep my posts on task and got answers to a post that I made up a while ago from Desdinova.
Let's get back on task now guys.
Let's get back on task now guys.
Actually, what I'm saying is VERY relevent to the subject of the thread. I am a woman and have been a member here for a very long time. I'm being very honest about how I perceive the men here. If a logical thinking woman such as myself is put off by things I read here and the behavior I witness...the average woman is going to be even more put off and turned off.
A Few years back there was more honesty and the guys were being REAL with each other. They weren't putting on an act and lashing out at women so routinely. It was more about self-betterment and improvement. Now it's all about "How can I f*ck this slvt/wh*re/ho/biotch?"
Would you think very highly of a women who were asking other women "How can I get this idiot/loser/dork/chump to spend all his money on me without having to let him have sex?" No...you wouldn't. What you guys are playing at is NO different than girls like that. Sorry if it stings to hear me say it...but I'm rather disgusted with both men and women who do others like that.
Of course women will respond negatively to this community. Can you blame them?
Re:
A few things on your -disappointment- Wyldfire...
1. The site is how big, 5,000 or 50,000? Not nearly representative, because most of the time, it's the same posters posting, because people only talk when there's good OR bad to speak about, rarely anything in the middle. With women, guys usually speak about how they got "screwed" or they "screwed" a woman, both not really great things to bark up about and pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of life.
2. It isn't representative of GUYS. Those coming here are now, more than ever, younger college guys who have NOT come into their own. Much like Porn that attracts women who have been abused, used drugs, raped, or have some emotional problemm SoSuave and even PUA sites ATTRACT guys NOT necessarily looking for long-term success but...
-a quick lay.
-to understand why they were dumped and exact revenge.
-to drone on about their conquests.
-gripe about women.
-complain about AFC's and their victim status.
It's alot like going the bars...going to a bar you're GUARANTEED certain things. They're into drinking. They like the social scene, and your odds are higher of NOT finding a quality girl versus somewhere else.
I'm not trying to change your mind, or maybe I am, but I'm willing to bet if you met HALF the guys I know and met and who have spent time on this site, the guys that DO NOT care, and DO NOT 'sarge' ARE in fact the ones happily involved in relationships that suit them.
If I had a friend laying 10 girls a week, well, he wouldn't have time to hang with me, nor would I care, because ALL those girls would HAVE to be hoes. I do not care HOW good his principles could be, a woman must still be strong enough to stick to her convictions. It takes ALOT of decisions BEFORE she ends up in bed with a guy.
She must
-be approached
-continue the convo
-desire to focus on him that night
-opt to leave when he does
-opt to be somewhere alone with him
-opt to trust him and follow him somewhere
-opt to stay there with him or let him stay
-opt to kiss him or get close
-opt to do more...
-opt to have sex...
There's FAR too many decisions and choices that it TOTALLY falls on his wonderous skills. What it comes DOWN to is he would find women PREDISPOSED to that sort of behavior, maybe they've done it in the past, or they've been hurt and want revenge, or maybe she likes promiscuous sex, or maybe she's a player, too. Who knows. In any event, he was likely ALREADY her type, he just happened to have the stars ALIGN perfectly that night, and use his confidence to his advantage.
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That get's back to the point...there are ALREADY women into you based on who you are now, you're just not to your FULL potential based on your CURRENT comfort zone and attractive qualities.
That's where INNER game comes in, it enables you to MAX out who are NOW, while you work on outer game that can BROADEN and be filled by INNER game.
I think of guys who are somewhat "clueless". They can work to correct that personally. Maybe their style is bad. Or they don't excentuate their smell with cologne. Or they have bad facial hair, or acne. They don't style right. WHATEVER. They can still find someone they like IF they max their INNER qualities out.
You might NOT like the girl you pull based on your looks, but for NOW, you can get a girl. AS OUTER game improves with your improving fashion sense, style, ******d personality, body build, and so on, your INNER game FILLS that up.
Eventually, when both are working, it will require less work and you'll meet the girls you want now. It's only stupidarse sites that have guys believing girls don't like you. Sure, all things being equal, if a girl is top bytch and she's persued by MANY men, then she CAN have the pick of whatever there is, so you competing in a market against other guys.
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My point tailed off...but the focus was to show, SoSuave IS NOT indicative of MEN at all. Maybe a few thousand actual posters, and on top of that, there are some posters TOTALLY better than what you'd find in the world, and some TOTALLY worse. BUT...if they're worth your time, or any girl is worth any GUYS time, they won't be common.
First, because they'd be snatched up.
Second, because they're available, demonstrates how TRULY unique we are, and that means you can get someone who's quite like you and what you want.
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In my reality....I do not enjoy the casualness with which picking up girls implies or infers. Any time I've been with a girl on a short-term basis, it was mutual. And maybe it was drunken, such as new year's. It was fun for what it was. If it ever got to be too much work or drama, we parted ways. I've never MET a girl that was worth a second of time if I had gone out to meet her on purpose. I like walking by a random window @ the mall, or victoria secrets or filene's, and seeing an incredibly beautiful woman, getting all jittery, and then realizing it would at least be FUN to know what she's like. If it panned out great, if not great.
But to me, the whole landscape of GETTING chicks is devoid, and is the basest quality of men AND women. What, don't you have anything better to do guys? I don't begrudge guys who take advantage of a situation that presents itself, such as a girl who seems really into you and you do hookup (probably brash), but I do dislike the idea of going to the mall, or to barnes and noble, or to a club JUST for the opposite sex. DAILY we are driven by our sexual urgings. Opportunities present themself EVERYWHERE. LEARN to use what life gives you , as much as you learn TO CREATE THEM.
That's why I said guys who have no luck just don't take chances when they're offered. They let them slide by. Then later, they go force chances, such as at a club, or a bartender that's getting hit on all the time, and he comes back here and says "none of this works!"
Dude, it isn't a one-time fix, it's a manual for as LONG as you're alive and with women. Got me? Your TV doesn't work and the manual has no answers, you don't junk the manual, it's like the TV's fault. Same thing here. Your approach does not fit reality. I'd say over the course of 2 years of the years I finished school, I met 40 girls, most of which I had SOME date or interaction. The number of convos had was higher, but 40 is ball park for SOME interaction, and ALL of them were had without forcing it, and they were very good for the time. The other times I had relationships which I honor, because men are bonded to their word and actions, and I wouldn't sacrifice one area of my life and not another.
Over and out,
A-Unit
A few things on your -disappointment- Wyldfire...
1. The site is how big, 5,000 or 50,000? Not nearly representative, because most of the time, it's the same posters posting, because people only talk when there's good OR bad to speak about, rarely anything in the middle. With women, guys usually speak about how they got "screwed" or they "screwed" a woman, both not really great things to bark up about and pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of life.
2. It isn't representative of GUYS. Those coming here are now, more than ever, younger college guys who have NOT come into their own. Much like Porn that attracts women who have been abused, used drugs, raped, or have some emotional problemm SoSuave and even PUA sites ATTRACT guys NOT necessarily looking for long-term success but...
-a quick lay.
-to understand why they were dumped and exact revenge.
-to drone on about their conquests.
-gripe about women.
-complain about AFC's and their victim status.
It's alot like going the bars...going to a bar you're GUARANTEED certain things. They're into drinking. They like the social scene, and your odds are higher of NOT finding a quality girl versus somewhere else.
I'm not trying to change your mind, or maybe I am, but I'm willing to bet if you met HALF the guys I know and met and who have spent time on this site, the guys that DO NOT care, and DO NOT 'sarge' ARE in fact the ones happily involved in relationships that suit them.
If I had a friend laying 10 girls a week, well, he wouldn't have time to hang with me, nor would I care, because ALL those girls would HAVE to be hoes. I do not care HOW good his principles could be, a woman must still be strong enough to stick to her convictions. It takes ALOT of decisions BEFORE she ends up in bed with a guy.
She must
-be approached
-continue the convo
-desire to focus on him that night
-opt to leave when he does
-opt to be somewhere alone with him
-opt to trust him and follow him somewhere
-opt to stay there with him or let him stay
-opt to kiss him or get close
-opt to do more...
-opt to have sex...
There's FAR too many decisions and choices that it TOTALLY falls on his wonderous skills. What it comes DOWN to is he would find women PREDISPOSED to that sort of behavior, maybe they've done it in the past, or they've been hurt and want revenge, or maybe she likes promiscuous sex, or maybe she's a player, too. Who knows. In any event, he was likely ALREADY her type, he just happened to have the stars ALIGN perfectly that night, and use his confidence to his advantage.
-------------------------
That get's back to the point...there are ALREADY women into you based on who you are now, you're just not to your FULL potential based on your CURRENT comfort zone and attractive qualities.
That's where INNER game comes in, it enables you to MAX out who are NOW, while you work on outer game that can BROADEN and be filled by INNER game.
I think of guys who are somewhat "clueless". They can work to correct that personally. Maybe their style is bad. Or they don't excentuate their smell with cologne. Or they have bad facial hair, or acne. They don't style right. WHATEVER. They can still find someone they like IF they max their INNER qualities out.
You might NOT like the girl you pull based on your looks, but for NOW, you can get a girl. AS OUTER game improves with your improving fashion sense, style, ******d personality, body build, and so on, your INNER game FILLS that up.
Eventually, when both are working, it will require less work and you'll meet the girls you want now. It's only stupidarse sites that have guys believing girls don't like you. Sure, all things being equal, if a girl is top bytch and she's persued by MANY men, then she CAN have the pick of whatever there is, so you competing in a market against other guys.
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My point tailed off...but the focus was to show, SoSuave IS NOT indicative of MEN at all. Maybe a few thousand actual posters, and on top of that, there are some posters TOTALLY better than what you'd find in the world, and some TOTALLY worse. BUT...if they're worth your time, or any girl is worth any GUYS time, they won't be common.
First, because they'd be snatched up.
Second, because they're available, demonstrates how TRULY unique we are, and that means you can get someone who's quite like you and what you want.
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In my reality....I do not enjoy the casualness with which picking up girls implies or infers. Any time I've been with a girl on a short-term basis, it was mutual. And maybe it was drunken, such as new year's. It was fun for what it was. If it ever got to be too much work or drama, we parted ways. I've never MET a girl that was worth a second of time if I had gone out to meet her on purpose. I like walking by a random window @ the mall, or victoria secrets or filene's, and seeing an incredibly beautiful woman, getting all jittery, and then realizing it would at least be FUN to know what she's like. If it panned out great, if not great.
But to me, the whole landscape of GETTING chicks is devoid, and is the basest quality of men AND women. What, don't you have anything better to do guys? I don't begrudge guys who take advantage of a situation that presents itself, such as a girl who seems really into you and you do hookup (probably brash), but I do dislike the idea of going to the mall, or to barnes and noble, or to a club JUST for the opposite sex. DAILY we are driven by our sexual urgings. Opportunities present themself EVERYWHERE. LEARN to use what life gives you , as much as you learn TO CREATE THEM.
That's why I said guys who have no luck just don't take chances when they're offered. They let them slide by. Then later, they go force chances, such as at a club, or a bartender that's getting hit on all the time, and he comes back here and says "none of this works!"
Dude, it isn't a one-time fix, it's a manual for as LONG as you're alive and with women. Got me? Your TV doesn't work and the manual has no answers, you don't junk the manual, it's like the TV's fault. Same thing here. Your approach does not fit reality. I'd say over the course of 2 years of the years I finished school, I met 40 girls, most of which I had SOME date or interaction. The number of convos had was higher, but 40 is ball park for SOME interaction, and ALL of them were had without forcing it, and they were very good for the time. The other times I had relationships which I honor, because men are bonded to their word and actions, and I wouldn't sacrifice one area of my life and not another.
Over and out,
A-Unit
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.