"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The New Challenge: One Date Per Week.

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I am at a stage where I have no trouble approaching, getting digits... now the problem is securing dates. At times I get numbers and even forget to call them till like two to four weeks later. Often times, I end up deleting the number from my phone. My new challenge now is to go on a date with a NEW woman at least once a WEEK. My chronicles will be put here. Join me if you can.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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First Date booked was not a success. Here is the story:

Meet her Monday at the library... showed very high interest. Got digits and split. Tues, I called, she did not pick up... she called back about an hour later saying she was working. No reason to doubt her. Scheduled a date with for Friday she said she can't make it because she will be visiting her family in another city immediately after work on Friday. I suggested Thursday and she said its fine with her. So Thursday rolled by and I texted her to change the rendezvous because I have a meeting somewhere and wanted her to meet me around the area instead of the place. She texted back saying she was just going to call me to let me know that one of her friend have been accepted to residency and she wanted her to join her to celebrate. I waited and call her about half an hour later but she did not pick up. She called back few minutes later saying she's at work and she'll find out the time of the celebration and get back with me after work.

Overall: I am not wasting time on her. If she calls, before the set time and can make it, I take her. Otherwise, whatever happens happens.

Well, since this is not a success, I'll try getting one before 3/24/10.
 

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Hmm, I did what your doing a couple of months ago. And I discovered is that it's easy to get a date every week if your meeting lots of women. Basically for every 5 numbers I got I secured 1 date. But those dates never turned into anything, basically 1 date and I never saw the girl again. Not sure why that was, but I eventually saw it as a waste of time if I didn't figure out why it never made it past the first date (still haven't figured that one out). So I dropped back the number of dates I go on now, basically I date a new girl every 2 weeks or so (would rather spend my time on something productive, like my studies or work).
 

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I'm doing this at the moment too amoka.

I'm not great at it, but I'm getting better at getting numbers. Opening (approaching, creating interest, getting number) is still the main thing I need to work on right now.

Most of my numbers turn into dates which is kinda cool.

I'll keep an eye on this thread and post any feedback and insights I have to help escalate each others learning and success.

Any reason why a date has to be with a new women? Wouldn't a 2nd or third date with a chick you like be just as good as a date with a new women? Let me know your thoughts.
 

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Scion: I agree with you that having the potential to go on date with a new girl every week can be detrimental to your game. Take three fridays ago for example. I had a mini date with two different ladies: one at 5:30pm and the other at 8:30pm. Both girls showed great interest but nothing good came out of it. I refused to escalate with the first girl because I knew I have another one at 8:30 pm. Never called her till like three days later. We planned on getting together but somehow, it did not work. I knew where I went wrong and I planned on fixing it.
For the second date, she was good and equally interested (as expected, lol) but gave her too much ****y & funny and she begun to have the impression that I "have a lot of women", lol. Anyway, I did not call her back till about 5 days later and she did not pick up. I refused to call her back... hence I have not talked to her since. So it is nice to is nice to have one every two weeks but I will keep the one a week for now till I am satisfied with the results I get.

Stayfly: There is nothing wrong with going on a date with the same woman the following week. The goal here is to be able to go out and have fun with a woman every single week. Just make sure you have options.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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^^^

cool bro.

btw, my full goal for the next 3 months is have at least 12 dates (one a week) and 3 f closes (one a month).

I'll watch this thread and offer feedback and advice when I can.
 

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Prospect date 1 chick never called. That's it for her. But then again, I wonder if it is her fault or mine since I did not specifically her to say " call by 5pm to let me know what's up" or should she have known to call to let me know when she found she could not make it. Anyway, I wanted to go out but the wine and liquor from yesterday's st. pat. day is still in my system. Besides, I only got about 3 hours of sleep last night so... I am going to crash tonight.
 

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sounds like U guys having trouble closing the deal..........actual flake percentages are 3:1 ratio. For every 3 women only 1 is a sure thing....unless U are super smooth and pre-select your targets.

U are OBVISOULY calling at the wrong times............send a lil tease text flirt first, then ask when are you free to talk.

When U make the meet me at date............inform her how U hate chics that never follow thru......THEN GET THIS...........actually next her and move on.

Gotta luv chic excuses.........there is no such thing as 3 strikes you are out rule in seducing women. Powershifts when U call them back and chics know this.
 

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I sent a text message to prospect 1, P1, today and received a prompt respond:
Amoka: "You own me a coffe"
P1: "I know right? I have been going non stop lately. I'm so sorry. Would you like to meet this wednesday?..." (This would have fulfill my weekly challenge, but you know DJs are not always free"
Amoka: "Nah... that's not going to work. I have something going on that day. Let's make it on thursday instead. How does 7 sound?"
P1: "That's fine. Where?"
Amoka: "[Vague] place..." (This place contains restaurants, coffee shops, bookstores, etc...
About two hours later,
P1: "Did you want to go somewhere specifically at ...?"
Amoka: "yeah, were a going somewhere"
P1: "Okay.. where?"
Amoka:"It's a secrete".
P1:"I don't play those type of games". I did not want to respond to this but I said fvck it.
Amoka:"I'll let you know later where specifically we are going as the week progresses".

Any suggestion on how this conversation went would be great. I hate texting but it was more like the only option for me to since I could not talk at the lab. I am thinking about either taking her for a walk around the river, if it does not rain, or taking her to the coffee shop. I am leaning more towards, coffee.
 

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amoka said:
I sent a text message to prospect 1, P1, today and received a prompt respond:
Amoka: "You own me a coffe"
P1: "I know right? I have been going non stop lately. I'm so sorry. Would you like to meet this wednesday?..." (This would have fulfill my weekly challenge, but you know DJs are not always free"
Amoka: "Nah... that's not going to work. I have something going on that day. Let's make it on thursday instead. How does 7 sound?"
P1: "That's fine. Where?"
Amoka: "[Vague] place..." (This place contains restaurants, coffee shops, bookstores, etc...
About two hours later,
P1: "Did you want to go somewhere specifically at ...?"
Amoka: "yeah, were a going somewhere"
P1: "Okay.. where?"
Amoka:"It's a secrete".
P1:"I don't play those type of games". I did not want to respond to this but I said fvck it.
Amoka:"I'll let you know later where specifically we are going as the week progresses".

Any suggestion on how this conversation went would be great. I hate texting but it was more like the only option for me to since I could not talk at the lab. I am thinking about either taking her for a walk around the river, if it does not rain, or taking her to the coffee shop. I am leaning more towards, coffee.
hmmm, as long as you get her to go on the date then it's cool

you could maybe try being a little warmer and friendly though

it's all good to be a mystery and be in control but there's nothing wrong with a bit of warmth, friendless and other things that stimulate positive emotions for her and make her want to go out with you.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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stayfly said:
hmmm, as long as you get her to go on the date then it's cool

you could maybe try being a little warmer and friendly though

it's all good to be a mystery and be in control but there's nothing wrong with a bit of warmth, friendless and other things that stimulate positive emotions for her and make her want to go out with you.
That's a good way to look at things. I can give this style a try. How have things been with you, stayfly?
 

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I personally like your challenge. Ultimately, because you are going to gain experience as to what works for you and what doesn't work for you. I've gone through long periods of having no dates and now that I am trying a lot harder I've recently been working hard to juggle women and have lots of different dates. Like you I've not found the spark or connection with many of them or I decided they were not good enough for me so I nexted them. I almost hate to admit it but I decided during one date that I wasn't interested in her but decided to kiss close and push for more just for the experience. Well, I didn't get laid doing that but it boosted my confidence some and she was stalking me all last week to try and get more of me. I think that three ignored attempts at contact is as far as she is going to go but I just laughed to myself whenever I saw it because it reassured me that there are definitely girls that like what I bring to the table. Also, there was one girl that had a tight body and was very attractive but she was so boring and had no sense of humor that I decided to next her. Probably like just 2 or 3 months ago I would have been thrilled that she had given me the time of day or the chance to get to know her...that is no longer the case.
 

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amoka said:
That's a good way to look at things. I can give this style a try. How have things been with you, stayfly?
cool as. let me know how it goes.

things have been going pretty good for me. I had a nice day date on Saturday.

this week I'm chilling. Then from April onwards I will focus much more on this area of my life and will post my progress in this thread.
 

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I'm using POF atm to secure dates per week or every 2 weeks and it works, it's just that a lot of them are shall we say, "not wanted." But it is important to have a girl on your arm even if she's not wanted, not "fat" per se, just kinda "odd" in personality. We shape women to how we want them to be anyway, so if I find one at a bar, at work, or online, what's the difference cause they're never exactly how I want them to be, except for my oneitis a couple of years ago, and her Sister RIGHT NOW - yes, I'm making moves on her sister. They have the same spirit.

I meet a lot of women at work, but I do not want to mix business and pleasure as this could get me into hot water at work. I make about 4x as much as I used to so, I can't fvck around on the job.
 

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Uncompromizing can kill your game

Went out on a date with P1 yesterday... overall, it was not great. I'll spare you of the details. Broke my rule 1 of first date: Never take a girl for a dinner. Well, we went on a dinner and I ended up spending about $40 at tumbleweed, thank god that most of it was for my orders. Anyway, after all is done and we were going to our cars, as we passed mine, I said "alright, let me walk you to your car". She said ok. The weather was colder than expected. Anyway, as we were walking, she started walking very fast and I was like, "hey, would you like me to walk you to your car or what? Why are you walking so fast?" then she said, "well, you don't have to walk me if you don't want to..." then I said, "Ok, bye". I turned and walk back to the car? I know it was cold but I don't know if I acted too harshly in this situation?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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^^^^^

sounds interesting. you maybe acted a bit harsh but it's not a huge deal.

overall, what did you do good?

what can you do better next time?
 

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by the way I met 2 new girls this week

met both at my work and both asked me for my contact details (I must be doing something right :p)

one has about a 50% attraction/interest level and I have a short priming date with her planned for Wednesday

the other has a 100% attraction/interest level and I have a longer, more romantic date planned with her for Saturday

I like my chances with both these dates/girls. I'll post the outcomes here next week sometime.

amoka, are you a fan of short, priming dates to screen women and see which ones you are interested in? or not so much?
 
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Congratulations on the two girls but you should be careful dealing with chicks at work. Anyway, I normally got on fan short dates, which normally involves walking but that day, it was forecast that it would rain that evening so I said heck, I can have something for a change. That was the mistake, and I have learned a thing from it and is to never compromise my style.
 

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amoka said:
Congratulations on the two girls but you should be careful dealing with chicks at work. Anyway, I normally got on fan short dates, which normally involves walking but that day, it was forecast that it would rain that evening so I said heck, I can have something for a change. That was the mistake, and I have learned a thing from it and is to never compromise my style.
thanks bro. yeah that's true about avoiding chicks I work with. these were customers though so it's all good.

I like the short walking idea. Can you tell me a bit more about it like where you go and what you do on these dates? I'd like to do something more active like walking for short dates but tend to think girls prefer sitting down so I go for more coffee shop or ice cream parlor type dates. Have the girls responded well to your more active, short dates?

I really think the priming date is an important step to create attraction, connection and trust before going on a bigger date. Maybe next time the weather is bad you could try something shorter indoors liked a quick lunch or a trip to the library and/or the coffee shop?

also, are you adding more prospects dude? I'm planning to add 2 extra prospects a week and go on short priming dates with them too and then having the bigger date/s on the weekend with whichever prospect/s I'm most into.

Let me know your thoughts.
 

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Personally, I prefer short walk coffee date for a first date. First of all, it is cheap: $10 max for the two of you. I normally go to places where there are lots of activities going around i.e downtown. Five minutes after receiving our order, I say, "why don't we take a walk, besides, it is beautiful outside anyway". A chick is yet to refuse that request. The most resistance, I ever got was "my shoes or not good for long walk"... to which I responded, "don't worry, after 3 miles, we exchange shoes."

Secondly, walking is fun because you get to demo your kino a lot more than any other dates. You getta pull her closer if she's going to pump into a passerby, pull her closer if she's about to cross the road if there a car coming... plus of course you getta see that ass shake and the boobs jiggle as you walk. Now, that summer is fast approaching, you can bet all my 1st dates are going to be a coffee plus walk.

Regarding numbers, I got couple of numbers over the past few days but have not contacted any of them yet... will probably do that today.

By the way a friend who knows one of the chicks' number I got told me yesterday that he heard the girl have a boyfriend at the moment. She did not mention that to me when we exchange numbers so we'll have to see how things go when I call her tonight.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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