The Myth of 'The Natural'

[zekko]

a woman can be naturally attracted to a DJ who learned it on Sosuave..

I wouldn't consider a guy who learned his DJ skills on SoSuave a natural.

In fact, I've never considered a natural as someone who had to rely on skills to attract women. Which is not to say he doesn't use any tactics, but they are just naturally a part of his personality.

Hugh Hefner is a good example. He was in a sexless marriage, and then he divorced and reinvented himself. If he had been a "natural," why would he have ended up in a lousy marriage?

I never thought of Hugh Hefner as a natural. More as a guy who made a lot of money and used it to surround himself with attractive women.
Besides, even if someone is a natural, it doesn't mean he is going to marry wisely, or use good judgement.

 

[Ranger]

A natural is a man free from all the threads and insidiousness of the Feminine Imperative. He can have her or not have her. He can operated when around men and can operate around women. Most important is operating around men.
If he can’t operate around men...he is a wuss.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I wouldn't consider a guy who learned his DJ skills on SoSuave a natural.

In fact, I've never considered a natural as someone who had to rely on skills to attract women. Which is not to say he doesn't use any tactics, but they are just naturally a part of his personality.


I never thought of Hugh Hefner as a natural. More as a guy who made a lot of money and used it to surround himself with attractive women.
Besides, even if someone is a natural, it doesn't mean he is going to marry wisely, or use good judgement.

Many well to do and extremely attractive men got married and the wife made it sexless marriage. Your game doesnt necessarily going to get you laid when the wife is insistent upon you not having sex with her.

 

[zekko]

It has everything to do with skill, thats the entire point, because those skills can be learned and are transferrable to other men. Why would we use the "natural" as a reference point if it just meant a physically attractive or rich guy? Do you have any frame of reference for this?

Let's be clear: To my mind, a natural is defined as "a man whom women are naturally attracted to". I'm not saying he has to physically attractive or rich. No, I don't have a frame of reference for it, I have just always assumed that's what it meant. It's never even occurred to me that it might be otherwise. Do you have a frame of reference for your definition (and what exactly is your definition, to be clear?)?

From what I understand, the story goes like this: In the early days of the PUA Community, guys set out to mimic the behaviors of men who had high SMV. Because these guys naturally attracted women, they had an abundance mentality. Because they were so so relaxed and confident from having positive experiences with women, they acted in a certain way, and busted on them like they did their male friends. Needless to say, they had no reason to be needy or desperate. The early PUA guys copied these behaviors.

I don't see a natural as a guy who sets out to use a set of tactics and manipulations in order to convince a girl to sleep with him. Girls like him naturally and he knows it, he doesn't need to use tips or tricks.

 

[zekko]

Dont sprain your cerebral Cortex lol, none of this concerns you.

Where does this come from?