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The Missing and Unaccounted-For Ingredient: Self-Esteem

Pecker

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I recommend that anyone having trouble with women should buy and read some books on cultivating positive self-esteem. And I'll tell you why.

I was talking to my friend who is a pretty good DJ. We were talking and I forget how it came up, but he mentioned how I was neurotic. He was right. I realized that neuroses aren't exactly attractive and that I needed to fix something.

Being neurotic is a symptom of low self esteem. The neurotic is always over internalizing, thinking too much, seeking the approval of others and coming off as gittery and nervous. Well no wonder I hadn't been getting the quality or quantity of girls I wanted...the signs of the neurotic are almost exactly those of a desperate AFC.

Self-Esteem is a kind of emotional immune system. Those with ample positive self esteem regenerate their positive attitude shortly after a failure, and are soon ready to jump back on the horse and try again. Those with poor self esteem might try something once, fail, and become so traumatized at the failure that they never try again. Sound familiar?

I remember last year, trying to be a big pimp in my first year of college. I took the "Why Not Just Be Yourself" article the wrong way, and used it to deplete my self esteem. I hung out with people waiting to be discovered as a loser at any moment, constantly playing a role. The truth is, "Don't Just Be Yourself" is flat out wrong, I've said this before. I prefer "Improve yourself, Be yourself" which is what the site is really about.

A person with low self esteem often cannot accept happiness because they feel they are not worth it. This is why I felt out of place and awkward the time I landed two dates with hotties in a single weekend. My DJing skills were sharp up to that point, but once faced with real success I blundered.

I forget exactly where he said it, but SexPDX said something very profound with regards to the importance of physical attractiveness. He said (paraphrasing) that good looks aren't the end-all-be-all of attracting women, but good looks make it easier to convince the woman that YOU, THE MAN are convinced of how attractive you are. Ya dig? In other words a woman might assume to begin with that the good looking man has high self-esteem, an inherently attractive trait.

Some guys here have had no success with women for SO long that the idea of attracting a good woman is too far beyond the realm of reality. They will even subliminally sabotage their good prospects so they won't have to face or change their self-images. For the chronically alone masturbators of this site, you need to accept that you are valuable and attractive in a way you haven't yet discovered.

This whole post sounds way too New-Agey, but I just don't think self-esteem is covered enough here. Confidence is, but confidence is a natural subsequence of healthy self esteem, and can't be faked. Ultimately self esteem is the one thing that will make you cool, collected, and keep you from attaching too much importance to any one interaction with women. After all, you don't need their approval, you have your own.
 

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I like this post.

One quote I heard alot that I believe is "You can outperform your own self-image"

Decide if you are really faking the confidence, or if now, starting TODAY you will actually start to believe in yourself, your own abilities and attractiveness and stop settling for less than which you are capable.

First find ways, anyway possible is important to physically feel good. Exercise offers a great buzz, but you have to learn to conjure up great feelings upon command as well. NLP techniques can cover this. You have to become good at visualizing so you can draw up resourceful states at all times.

How about this, I'm not there yet, but I will be.

I have a bit of a problem of being shallow. I'll accept that pretty face and hot body, even if the girl has serious emotional troubles. I deserve more, you do too....
 

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Originally posted by Pecker
but confidence is a natural subsequence of healthy self esteem,

You mean natural CONSEQUENCE. Sorry, I'm not trying to be nitpicky, but I couldn't bear to see any little flaw in what was an otherwise sublime post. ;) Stupendous, Pecker. Good job. Where ya from in Los Angeles, btw? I'm from the South Bay Area.
 

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bump
 

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To answer your question Jake I live in the san fernando valley when I'm not in Santa Barbara at college :)
 

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UCSB???? Dude, I hope you got laid a LOT this past year. Next to Arizona and Florida, that school should be one of the easiest to bag some sleazy hoes in. :p But keep it wrapped up -- I heard SB has the highest rates of VD's in the nation.
 

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Jake, i got laid exactly ONCE last year, and this was with a girl from back home during winter break.

Mild social anxiety combined with simply being a freshmen are my (realistic) excuses. This year will be much better, I feel it in my bones.
 

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A really good book is The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem by Nathaniel Branden.
 

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jive that is what i am reading now! that and the Ultimate Secrets of Total Self Confidence by Anthony something...too lazy to go upstairs and look at the author...
 

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Oh how I can relate to this is beyond belief!!! But how do you make yourself feel as though you're worth something when deep down you don't think you are? (That is, worth something in any given situation and not just where girls are concerned) The answer to the question could be the turning point, if not only for me but so many others, so think carefully before answering!




there are too many excellent quotes to list here, but if you can live by one, then you're a better man than most. :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Pecker
Jake, i got laid exactly ONCE last year, and this was with a girl from back home during winter break.

Mild social anxiety combined with simply being a freshmen are my (realistic) excuses. This year will be much better, I feel it in my bones.

Good luck man. In my experience, Junior and Senior years are the years for really getting yo' mack on, though one can fare okay during the second year. It all depends on how your game is. (Of course, that isn't how it is for EVERYONE. I did sorta okay all four years, nothing spectacular ):p
 

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openuri, whenever you have a negative voice inside your head telling you...or, even worse, reasserting the ASSUMPTION...that you are not worthy or not appropriate to exist happily, you need to confront and shoot down that negative voice.

Give it a label, that helps me. Every time I hang out with a group of people I don't really know, and I find myself wondering if they like me, if they think I'm weird etc, I simply quiet my mind by acknowledging that all of these worries are my negative thoughtcurrents trying to regain control. I call it the Old way of thinking, and the Old way of thinking has little or no basis in reality.

Once I stop myself in the middle of these negative thoughts and label them the Old way of thinking, it discredits them. It's a sort of Rumpledstiltskin effect, where it disappears after you name it. And why should I listen to an irrational source such as my former self-doubting self?

You can make a rational argument to someone ELSE in the same predicament and have it seem all too obvious. But when it comes to oneself, rational arguments rarely shake one out of a subconscious expectation (or eve hope) for isolation and failure. "Why shouldn't people like you? You're funny, smart, you listen to people. Why shouldn't you get a cool girlfriend? You're cool to be around."

Remember Mikey from Swingers? He was like a big bear with claws man, these claws and these teeth...and she was just a little bunny....he was so effin money and he didn't even know it....and he's sittin there with these claws and these teeth and he's wondering How do I kill the Bunny???!!!??

It's just a matter of knocking down these negative tendencies and replacing them, one by one. Its a conscious and deliberate process for me. When all else fails don't think so goddarn much and you'll gain that ease and coolness that communicates comfort in your own skin. I am still rigorously pursuing this goal, but I've seen results even since I made the choice to do so.
 

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Bump. You guys shouldn't be missing any of this. Newbies read up. Then read it again. No... print it out and stick it on your forehead.
 

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Originally posted by openuri's
Oh how I can relate to this is beyond belief!!! But how do you make yourself feel as though you're worth something when deep down you don't think you are? (That is, worth something in any given situation and not just where girls are concerned) The answer to the question could be the turning point, if not only for me but so many others, so think carefully before answering!

All your thoughts, beliefs and feelings about yourself and how you relate to the world around you (ie I'm worth less than everyone else, etc) are learned, not inherent. This is important for a number of reasons:

1. At some point in your past, these learned qualities served a purpose for you. They helped you survive and grow as best you could at the time.

(This may sound odd - how could learning to believe in your 'worthlessness' or 'badness' possibly serve you? Here's an example. You're a child. Your homelife sucks for whatever reason. You feel sad and angry about it, but whenever you show that you're not happy, your parent(s) gets upset, so you feel guilty about not being happy, and rejected. You feel bad because you've been rejected. You want to be loved. Being sad and angry doesn't get you love, it gets you rejection. So you tell yourself it's bad to be sad or angry. That becomes I'm bad when I'm sad or angry. So you stop showing those feelings, and pretend to be happy all the time. So you get love. And all that sadness and anger is buried, for fear of being rejected, and adds fuel to the I'm bad thoughts, and takes up energy too, so maybe you feel tired and generally unenthusiastic about life.

In summarising this example, you have learned to bury your unacceptable feelings, and to keep them buried by telling yourself that you're bad. Most people experience something like this to some degree.)

2. These beliefs are no longer serving you, they are now limiting you.

3. Because they are learned, they can be changed.

How you begin the process of changing these aspects of your personality is not something that can be told to you, it can only happen through awareness of where you are now, and experiencing something different. Reading about it isn't enough, but it's a start. It shows curiosity and a desire to change, at least.
 
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