The main problem with this forum...

[Real Talk]

Sorry for the long post guys.

First of all, this isn't meant to be an attack on anybody, but its just something i wanted to post after being on here a while, regarding something pervasive here that I have noticed.

Aside from the general posts asking for advice on a particular situation, There seems to be two main kinds of guys here:

Guy #1. Fellas who, not always but often, consider themselves to be below or way below average when it comes to relationships and dating (and maybe social things in general), might have been walked all over, and simply want to be able to be comfortable enough around women to find a good, quality woman of their own without pi$$ing themselves and getting burned time after time

Guy #2. Guys who legitimately want to be so-called PUA's, who talk about fvcking multiple girls, no single woman will ever be worthy of you, etc.

My question is, which type of guys is this forum supposed to cater to? I don't see the answer "both" being a possibility...

-There seems to be a lot of hate towards women here but if this hate is the pervasive attitude on this forum, how in the world does this help the education of Guy #1? Doesn't this gives him, if nothing else , a pretty miserable view with which to develop socially? Genuine friendships (where you're not trying to bang them) with women can only help your knowledge with female interaction and the female psyche, so why are writing them off as the enemy right away?

-Also, I look around the forum and see posts by inexperienced guys who want to be PUA's, but its apparent from reading their posts that they might lack the basic social skills to get ONE woman, let alone multiple ones. Are these fellas getting the wrong idea? I know this stuff requires guys to go out of their comfort zone, but is there too much run-before-walk mentality here, because of the content by both types of Guys?

The way some dudes describe their "gaming" comes across as more "creeping out girls" because of the lack of a basic social skill base(conversation, meeting people, gauging interest within a ballpark, etc) , or is completely misdiagnosed and is describing a situation where the girl actually isn't interested at all.

Is the problem that too many Guy #1's here are trying to be Guy #2?

Any thoughts, guys?

 

[Zarky]

My only thought is that once you've understood the fundamentals, which takes maybe a month to learn, then you already know about 95% of what you need to know. The rest of the time spent on message boards (which I've been doing off and on since 1997), is not that helpful. You shuffle through 1000 lame posts for every 1 helpful one.

The only reason I stick with message boards is because it keeps my mind on the game. Not for any "insight" because there really is none.

Read Ross Jeffries, read Mystery, read R. Don Steele if you're over 30, read a book on body language, take what you want from 'em, and you know more about seduction than every single other man you'll ever run into.

 

[scorpio1138]

I just recently started posting, but lurked here for years.

I learned a lot which is an understatement.

I also visited often, early on when things were not going so well
for me and reading posts was definitely helpful.

I believe it works out for both types.

 

[Mistic]

You have it a little right. Here are the actual 2 main types of guys here: of course there are some exceptions:

Guy #1 - Reasons for being here are ego driven. Get's off on "being the man" and giving regurgitated advice to Guy #2. Many times Guy #1 turns out to be just a KBJ with no reasl experience, like KontrollerX. There is no need for guy #1 here, because it has all been written and said already.

Guy #2 - Spends too much time on here posting regurgitated questions, and is too lazy/scared to go out in the field. He's a hobby wannabe DJ, a player in theory who will soon be a KontrollerX type Guy #1. All he needs to do is read the DJ Bible, read MM or some other kind of PU book. Then it is all field work and life experience from there on out. Any time he spends here is a waste of time.

Guy #3, like myself used to be Guy #1, but got over the ego trip, realized the SS Matrix, and only posts here to be funny, or thought provoking. Spends more time in Anything Else then the other forums, and only seldom visits out of boredom/curiosity, and eventually never returns.

The Truth is, this forum is unnecessary, and is more like some sort of women's support group than anything. This is the reason why all this talk about being a real man etc is such a contradiction. Forums and chat groups are feminine by nature.

 

[Ease]

Theres a lot of different guys here. Yes, thats true.

There are some sane ones.

 

[thedude4242]

there are guys here who are good looking, have really get social skills and can get along with anyone, like myself, who has troubling getting women. say there are 3 steps. I have trouble with step 2. I can get them to like me and when I go to have sex I can get them, those two are easy. it is the step inbetween that I have trouble with. you guys can give me some are your fundamental reason and try to make me look like I am some dude who is so messed up. I think women are intimadated by me because they have said it before or they dont know how to take me.

 

[thedude4242]

does anyone here meet a girl you like and dont beat around the bush and go straight to the "you coming with me?" type stuff. the type of stuff were you let them know to want to have sex with them pretty quick and if they dont respond never talk to then again?

 

[kingsam]

SoSuave is very "beginner" ... most people prob move onto other forums (that have more advanced detail) after getting bored of the bitterness and KJ's ...

e.g. i look at RSD, The Attraction Forums, and my Doc love stuff when wanting answers to things i dont know ...

 

[Huffman]

I feel that, especially recently, there's been a lot guys who are not "SUPER PUA KINGS", but just cool guys who have something going in their lives, and they often give good and reasonable advice.

This board used to be full with crappy pickup lines that everybody was supposed to learn. I like it better now...

 

[Nygard]

To each one their own reasons to hang around and post.

 

[thedude4242]

yea I am done with this forum now that you showed the others. this forum is for beginners to get the right fundamentals.

 

[Captain]

yea I am done with this forum now that you showed the others. this forum is for beginners to get the right fundamentals.

The fundamentals are all that there is, the rest if going out and meeting people.

 

[Duracell_Bunny]

The Truth is, this forum is unnecessary, and is more like some sort of women's support group than anything. This is the reason why all this talk about being a real man etc is such a contradiction. Forums and chat groups are feminine by nature.

Well I'd be honest and say I'm neither of those guys, well I hope so anyway and this forum has helped me out alot. Its a case of reading and applying the bible and getting comments from the more expereinced over new occurancies.

I was one of those back in the day, but now I'm simply after an LTR without too much focus on nailing a HB. I came across this site just under 10 years ago - I remember I was only on dial up in the early days and used to go bed each night with a printed article from the bible.

At that time it was easy over here to get into bars/clubs underage. I went out and just did tons and tons of cold approaches constantly - I got nowhere. Slowly over time interactions become more freindly and slightly longer that I came to enjoy it.

Nowdays whenever I go out, theres no nerves at all. My focus isn't just on getting number, I simply incorporate it into my nights out knowing I'm ready at anytime when there is an oppertunity.

Not so much cold approaching anymore (I think it may be a local culture thing, but they just don't work oftern and women feel uncomfortable with it, I'm not from a big city like London but tied it on a trip to Las Vegas and the women responded much better, even though its Disney land for adults). I tend to find the natural interactions go a hell of a long way and have a more postitive ratio then simply walking up to a group of women and getting a "Who the fvck are you?" reaction.

If you walked into a bar with that "guy #2" nose in the air "I'm the man!!!, every women wants me" (when you know thats not true) attidude around here, you will proberbly find yourself beaten up.

Right now, I observe what is posted on this forum but in the meantime I'm out there making sure each time I'm out theres some interactions with new people. I get the odd number every now and again but when a situation arrises that I succeed & is new to me I post about it, or if I failed I post to find out where I went wrong. These interactions are progressivly getting better and better.

I personally think for newbies the bible may seem to much geared towards how DJs act, rather than focusing on conditioning like I unknowingly did in my younger days, which has payed off. Ironicly because of it I feel more comfortable talking to a HB in a bar that I've never spoken to before, than a 5/6 I've met in my social circle.

 

[Korrupt]

My only thought is that once you've understood the fundamentals, which takes maybe a month to learn, then you already know about 95% of what you need to know. The rest of the time spent on message boards (which I've been doing off and on since 1997), is not that helpful. You shuffle through 1000 lame posts for every 1 helpful one.

The only reason I stick with message boards is because it keeps my mind on the game. Not for any "insight" because there really is none.

Read Ross Jeffries, read Mystery, read R. Don Steele if you're over 30, read a book on body language, take what you want from 'em, and you know more about seduction than every single other man you'll ever run into.

I actually completely agree with this. After you read the DJ Bible and actually do some (not even a lot) of field "work," you'll come back here to read forum posts you won't find hardly anything helpful anymore.

 

[Warrior74]

It's something to do whilst rendering. Most guys would do fine to just read the bible and do some web searches and go out in the field and practice....its not really as hard as everyone makes it out to be....

The forum caters to whom ever will keep clicking on the ads that pay the bills. LOL. This ain't no public service ya know!