"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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The Letter

The Bad Ass Canadian

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Hollow,

you are a hopeless AFC. This letter almost made me vomit.

The reason you are an AFC is simple.

You're naive. You got really lucky on this, man. 999 women out of 1000 would be running and screaming in the oposite direction after reading such a stomach churning gush of infatuated sh!t.

Everyone on here is right, yet you refused to beleive it, because you succeeded. Don't be numb to the truth. That is what all AFC's do.....as they search for some fairytail romance that doesn't exist, and end up disillusioned and in a rtelationship they don't want to be in.

You just won the lottery. It'll never happen again, beleive me.

The Bad Ass Canadian
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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HollowHorizon

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I just would like to say i never emailed it it was actuly hand written(with proper spelling) i typed it out so i could post it here
 

Dust 2 Dust

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I think it's pretty amazing how every time in your situation a problem came up it always magically worked out to your advantage.

You talked to a girl one time and in a span of less than 24 hours she's crying and you can't get her to leave you alone.
 

InLawsHateMe

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Originally posted by Dust 2 Dust
I think it's pretty amazing how every time in your situation a problem came up it always magically worked out to your advantage.

You talked to a girl one time and in a span of less than 24 hours she's crying and you can't get her to leave you alone.
He's Big Pimpin..... ;)
 

Dust 2 Dust

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One time an AFC gave my girlfriend a letter. She laughed her ass off while reading it to me over the phone.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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HollowHorizon

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Is there anyone out there that could give me somthing positive to say? i shared somthing and it kicked me in the balls
 

Avsguy01

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Why are you posting on the Don Juan site. This is so AFCish. You dont stand a chance with this girl. Thats all i have to say.
 

Avsguy01

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Here you want something nice:
Your such a sweet, kind, male..........

Unfortunately, not offensive to you this = wussie in the world of women
 

Julian

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This is such bullsh1t this guy is playing a joke, he has got to be.
-_-
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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ManOMan

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He already admitted he didnt send the letter.

There is nothing positive to say about your letter. The only woman who would swoon over that is some 45 year old woman who doesnt get out of her house much.

The guys already told you, send a brief note saying "Had a great time with you the other day, Lets do it again sometime"

You seriously need to work on your self-esteem issues, read the bible SUCCINCTLY, and stop thinking you can win women over by telling them how GREAT they are.

Even if you get this girl, you will eventually turn her off by your smothering and emotional vomiting.
 

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Lets see first HH says this...

"Too late i gave her that letter and the next day i saw her. She had tears in her eyes and just walked up and hugged me for a minut or two now i can't get her to leave me alone. she calls me at her lunch breaks. were going out and this has been a risk that i took dispite what you guys said witch i usaly dont but someplace in the bible says the biggest risk of all is not taking any and i took one and the outcome is tremondus"....

Then HH says this....
"just would like to say i never emailed it it was actuly hand written(with proper spelling) i typed it out so i could post it here"

So which one is it? I personally think you are a geekboy who quite possibly may have bi-polar and/or borderline personalites.

Grow the fvck up!
 

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Originally posted by Jay Fiedler
Lets see first HH says this...

"Too late i gave her that letter and the next day i saw her. She had tears in her eyes and just walked up and hugged me for a minut or two now i can't get her to leave me alone. she calls me at her lunch breaks. were going out and this has been a risk that i took dispite what you guys said witch i usaly dont but someplace in the bible says the biggest risk of all is not taking any and i took one and the outcome is tremondus"....

Then HH says this....
"just would like to say i never emailed it it was actuly hand written(with proper spelling) i typed it out so i could post it here"

So which one is it? I personally think you are a geekboy who quite possibly may have bi-polar and/or borderline personalites.

Grow the fvck up!
Clarification: He means he gave it to her in person and didn't email it to her.

Peace.
 

dietzcoi

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She thinks your a nice "friend", thats why you got the hugs.

She is not thinking of you as boyfriend... she will think you are too sappy for that.

Trust all of us, this is true.

Only in high school would you get away with this. If I gave a letter like that to a woman here at my work I would have to change jobs... I would be a laughingstock.

DOn't worry, you will learn from this. We are giving you "tough love"... now take some of our advice.

If not, you WILL be an AFC.

Dietzcoi
 

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Why doesn't he believe us?hmmm?
HH so many great DJs have you just said what did U do wrong, but you still don't want to listen! U are so stubborn!..............OR you are only making jokes, because so lame letter, I have never seen. So thank you for new experience :D
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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AMF

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A dull AFC just met his dull AFC wife.

Good job.
 

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look horizon when i first stared reading your thread i was like come on ppl dont bash that dude ...but i noticed your making this whole thing up this is so BS ...first you ask everyone what they think about your stupid letter and everyone says DONT send it and you do it anyway so why did you post your BS then if you was gonna send it no mather what. And they girl crying ?? BS how old is she 12 or something c`mon get back to reality. the only reason that she could be all over you suddenly would be if she found out youre rich or something further then that your whole thread is BS and a big ass LIE

peace
 

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I once, long ago, wrote a similar letter to a girl that I pined after for years in high school (turns out she was sleeping with anyone who paid more than 10 minutes attention to her). She smiled sweetly at me in the hallway but that was about it.

Years later when I was in college, I met a girl who was so into me it was crazy. She thought I was the toughest, baddest DJ in the world, until...

it turns out her roommate was the Letter Girl, who still had it after all those years.

To Letter Girl's credit, she refused to show it to my g/f because it would alter her view of me, but still, the fact that that kind of writing can exist for that long should give you pause.
 

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Ok guys, really, what is the point of this post now??? Hollow probably is bullsh1tting us, but if he really wants to believe that a girl was crying after his AFC letter, just let him. Its only gonna hurt him. And if she indeed was crying and she is somehow madly in love with him, then he has now bagged an AFC chick, which I must say is twice as worse as AFC guys. You're better off than him, so just stop worryin about it either way. No matter what we say isnt gonna change him, although it is kinda fun to laugh at the letter. HAHAHAHAHA

VOMIT!!!!!!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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