The last trolling post from Andrew Tate is actually really spot on when it comes of the average man experience

[tksniper]

I would say masculinity is the answer but I understand that sosuave is an echo chamber. Of course masculinity is the answer! But in the real world you have to deal with social conditioning, politics, the status quo, chemicals destroying testosterone in boys, etc.

I think it’s time for a bigger answer. And that’s being proactive and not reactive. Instead of posting about what is wrong with the world, how about we post about what we are doing about it?

Great men in the past used to meet up in secret meetings with plans to change society. And it would take them centuries because their method of communication were horses.

We live in the social media age. All it takes is enough of us being proactive and some change can happen. Even if you cant create big change, you can at least try to affect the reality around you.

“Masculinity is the answer” is as useless as Reddit trolls in spewing nonsense in their own echo chambers. It’s time for us to seek to be more proactive and be more active in our communities.

 

[Gamisch]

What's scary about RP now in 2025, is this whole incel nationalism trope that has become super popular. It's now based on your national pride, but let's go beneath the surface, it's still about power, control and access.....when it comes to women. This isn't nothing new and has been around for a while but there are more men then ever now who can't have sex with the women they want or get a relationship etc.

A lot of RPers, especially on social media, are the loudest to complain, meanwhile, if you were to ask them why a woman should go after them instead of giving you an answer like Im a charming man, I got a nice house. I'm loyal etc. Now the answer is, she is this color and i'm this color so I deserve her, like WTF? the mind of these guys is the same entitlment that they complain about when it comes to women and what's worse a lot of these guys are overweight, lack social skills, dont have a job or it's low wage job and want Stacy or an IG baddie to fall over their lap.

There is a lot of delusion on both sides. I wish men were just more honest about what they want and their struggles, but that's not my job to give men self-awareness. I can simply tell you what I did or am doing. You can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink​

I agree.

Most of us over here know how difficult it is to actually control a woman. One that you like enough to bone daily..or even a worse version( although they , mid women, can be worse to deal with due to insecurities but thts another topic).

My testimony is that most men I've seen will ALWAYS fall for the standardisation and blue pill ideology. It's actually women that are redpilled!!

The only well known and documented time when " white picket fence " was proofing it's seeming value was a short period, during the 50's. But what mostly comes to MY mind is the domestic violence, mental and financial abuse that was "necessary " to control women back then...

The west suffers from their own well-being. If economic times are harder more women might ( seemingly) submit, like we see in all other continents. Give women in a let's say hyper religious place the same freedoms and the same dynamic will occur.

 

[Gamisch]

I would say masculinity is the answer but I understand that sosuave is an echo chamber. Of course masculinity is the answer! But in the real world you have to deal with social conditioning, politics, the status quo, chemicals destroying testosterone in boys, etc.

I think it’s time for a bigger answer. And that’s being proactive and not reactive. Instead of posting about what is wrong with the world, how about we post about what we are doing about it?

Great men in the past used to meet up in secret meetings with plans to change society. And it would take them centuries because their method of communication were horses.

We live in the social media age. All it takes is enough of us being proactive and some change can happen. Even if you cant create big change, you can at least try to affect the reality around you.

“Masculinity is the answer” is as useless as Reddit trolls in spewing nonsense in their own echo chambers. It’s time for us to seek to be more proactive and be more active in our communities.

I really fond it funny how the narrative is that your voting habits determine your masculinity.

Like.. feck actual policy. Detailed plans and programs. Soyboy left real man right.

 

[justaroundthecorner]

How many here are or have actually been in a marriage or had a LTR that lasted longer then a couple of years?

Who stood before family courts?

Who was threatened to lose his financial existence by his wife?

Fvckboy experience doesnt qualify to disqualify Tate.

Calling men "toxic" is a soyboy move. Women do that to gaslight men into compliance.

I am married for more than couple of years. I sometimes stand before family courts. Fckboyz are hardly walking repositories of forgotten knowledge. Kickboxers can kick, not necessarily think straight. Men are asking themselves for divorce more often than women do.

Andrew Tate was never married. WTF guy like him can know about marriage? "Marriage" is a word he read in a book some day in the past and likes to put in any sentence the context of which will increase his Internet coverage.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

A man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with a theory.

Tate has only theories about marriage. Unless you've been married you don't know. Period. You don't have that experience with that kind of lifelong committment.

The stuff in the OP message reeks of bitterness. It comes off shrill. Like a cry baby. Hey pal. This life ain't gonna wipe or powder your ass, you can't act like a complete punk and expect to be respected!

And yeah I'm a chick, but I never expected men to treat me a certain way, so if a man does something gentlemanly I ALWAYS say Thank You. I've been passed over for being a woman before in STEM, and although in many ways a blessing, being pretty (for whatever idiotic reason) makes men think you got by on looks rather than smarts, so attractive women are often underestimated in the brains department.

Listen. Don't get me started on the vote thing. Plenty of people irrespective of gender are intellectually unqualified to vote but they do anyway, and plenty of people are well enough informed to vote too. Trump could not have been elected in the US without some women voting for him, and I was included in that group.

Maybe instead of whine on the internet he might do well to get himself better educated rather than sound like a punk who wishes the "because I said so" mantra was real. That's a fallacy in the west. Kinda like the tooth fairy.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Men are asking themselves for divorce more often than women do.

This is categorically not the case in western countries. In the U.S., 70% of all divorces are initiated by women. Among certain sub groups, the ratio is even higher. For college educated women, it’s 90%. Had do you spent 15 seconds researching the subject, you wouldn’t be posting this nonsense.

 

[justaroundthecorner]

Sure females initiate divorce priceedings more often - but why? Alcoholism, cheating, drug abuse, violence in relationship, lack of taking care of the house/wife/children by men, problems with law etc. - men are more often at fault than women. Sure men get often divorce raped in USA when assets are split but not every country has such a laws. Sure it happens that its the woman that is at fault but generally our manly instincts do not support the concept of marriage too well. I have a friend that states that men are biologically and psychologically constructed in a way that allows them to spread seed irrespective of the idea of "together untill death do us apart" therefore they instinctively do not care about idea of marriage that much and its something that they either learn because they want to or something that they perceive as shackles. If you perceive marriage as shackles you won't want to respect it, respect your wife, provide emotional support, you won't be that much interested that once your woman will mature more (and you don't) she may want to leave you. There's also a statistic saying that females are generally more happy after divorce and most of them do not regret getting divorced.

 

[Westminster]

Sure females initiate divorce priceedings more often - but why? Alcoholism, cheating, drug abuse, violence in relationship, lack of taking care of the house/wife/children by men, problems with law etc. - men are more often at fault than women. Sure men get often divorce raped in USA when assets are split but not every country has such a laws. Sure it happens that its the woman that is at fault but generally our manly instincts do not support the concept of marriage too well. I have a friend that states that men are biologically and psychologically constructed in a way that allows them to spread seed irrespective of the idea of "together untill death do us apart" therefore they instinctively do not care about idea of marriage that much and its something that they either learn because they want to or something that they perceive as shackles. If you perceive marriage as shackles you won't want to respect it, respect your wife, provide emotional support, you won't be that much interested that once your woman will mature more (and you don't) she may want to leave you. There's also a statistic saying that females are generally more happy after divorce and most of them do not regret getting divorced.

That's a gross over-simpification. Of course these things happen but they're the exceptions to be honest.

Nowadays, most marriages fail for much more prosaic reasons, including boredom, jealously, hypergamy and plain old incompatability. All of which are, in my experience, at least as likely to be attributed to the wife.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Sure females initiate divorce priceedings more often - but why? Alcoholism, cheating, drug abuse, violence in relationship, lack of taking care of the house/wife/children by men, problems with law etc. - men are more often at fault than women. Sure men get often divorce raped in USA when assets are split but not every country has such a laws. Sure it happens that it’s the woman that is at fault but generally our manly instincts do not support the concept of marriage too well.

You sound like a feminist college professor…from 1975.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Really wonder how a "tight game" is gonna help us when a woman with no evidence or witnesses manage to get them fired over a fake allegation

Out-alpha the judge.

 

[justaroundthecorner]

You sound like a feminist college professor…from 1975.

Nah, I wrote it out of my professional experience. But now I will let "Andrew Tate fans thread boyz :O" to go into predictable direction.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Like.. feck actual policy. Detailed plans and programs

Discussing such things require a fair amount of thought. Thus, relatively few engage in such activity

 

[BaronOfHair]

Advice from the old lady:

A man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with a theory.

Tate has only theories about marriage. Unless you've been married you don't know. Period. You don't have that experience with that kind of lifelong committment.

The stuff in the OP message reeks of bitterness. It comes off shrill. Like a cry baby. Hey pal. This life ain't gonna wipe or powder your ass, you can't act like a complete punk and expect to be respected!

And yeah I'm a chick, but I never expected men to treat me a certain way, so if a man does something gentlemanly I ALWAYS say Thank You. I've been passed over for being a woman before in STEM, and although in many ways a blessing, being pretty (for whatever idiotic reason) makes men think you got by on looks rather than smarts, so attractive women are often underestimated in the brains department.

Listen. Don't get me started on the vote thing. Plenty of people irrespective of gender are intellectually unqualified to vote but they do anyway, and plenty of people are well enough informed to vote too. Trump could not have been elected in the US without some women voting for him, and I was included in that group.

Maybe instead of whine on the internet he might do well to get himself better educated rather than sound like a punk who wishes the "because I said so" mantra was real. That's a fallacy in the west. Kinda like the tooth fairy.

As has been noted on several prior threads, The Red Pill has become a religion that's filling the void left by the (likely interminable)decline of church attendance, and it's preachers(Tate included)are now bludgeoning their congregations with endless lamebtations of how the world we currently inhabit is a "fallen" one

I guess that's fine IF such preaching is what gets one up and running in the morning, nonetheless I submit that relentlessly grousing about "societal decay", without ever really identifying specific difficulties then pursuing viable remedies for them, is going to eventually drive most men out of The Church Of The Red Pill also

 

[Barrister]

How many here are or have actually been in a marriage or had a LTR that lasted longer then a couple of years?

Who stood before family courts?

Who was threatened to lose his financial existence by his wife?

Fvckboy experience doesnt qualify to disqualify Tate.

Calling men "toxic" is a soyboy move. Women do that to gaslight men into compliance.

There’s gaming women and then there’s truly understanding them. Knowing how to get a woman home after a date and understanding how they tick long term are two different things.

I also disagree that this is the result of the Boomer generation “failing to keep their women” in line. This is more about a systematic effort by society to make men as soft as possible and to “empower” women.

 

[BaronOfHair]

This is more about a systematic effort by society to make men as soft as possible and to “empower” women.

Tragedy here is this wouldn't have triumphed, if so many of us hadn't passively gone along with it. Even today, loudly and often as we decry mainstream Hollywood's persistence in churning out all these Girl Boss flicks, we ignore an uncomfortable truth...

Hollywood would be forced to stop churning them out, if the predominantly male workforce behind the scenes who make that sh-t possible refused to work on them, started demanding less derogatory representation of men on screen. It's tough to get too angry at "The System", when we're regularly refusing to use the considerable power we already possess

 

[Bigpapa]

This is categorically not the case in western countries. In the U.S., 70% of all divorces are initiated by women. Among certain sub groups, the ratio is even higher. For college educated women, it’s 90%. Had do you spent 15 seconds researching the subject, you wouldn’t be posting this nonsense.

maybe also guys have a fault here like for example marrying women that actually belong to the streets?

What I can say in regards to this is that most men do little to no vetting of women for relationship, they are just happy that they have something to smash

and this mentality you can also see it here, like for example viewing relationship / marriage as your ticket to get p8ssy when you want. Guess what, marriage was never about the man getting p8ssy. Getting p8ssy was always something not even secondary but more like tertiary

 

[BeExcellent]

maybe also guys have a fault here like for example marrying women that actually belong to the streets?

What I can say in regards to this is that most men do little to no vetting of women for relationship, they are just happy that they have something to smash

and this mentality you can also see it here, like for example viewing relationship / marriage as your ticket to get p8ssy when you want. Guess what, marriage was never about the man getting p8ssy. Getting p8ssy was always something not even secondary but more like tertiary

Why not (see marriage as your ticket to sex when you want)? I certainly see it that way. And I'm female.

I strongly disagree with the idea that women don't care about sex (they most assuredly do), and that women are totally transactional about marriage.

Why on Earth do I need to be married?

Without sexual access essentially on demand why would anyone put up with the compromise involved in marriage? I'm not lonely alone and I have friends and family who I can see here & there then retreat back into my peaceful life. No need to complicate my life without the lover dynamic. I don't NEED a man but I like having one to "do life" with. That starts with the intimate relationship, the desire/sex/intimate bonding. That derives from the lover dynamic.

Without that you are just friends at best. That's not enough for me to put up with a man in my space 24/7/365 for. I have friends to be buddies with. An intimate partner is different.

Never underestimate the value of being a good lover. If you become a good lover (which requires a skillset as noted by a number of the more experienced men here) then you better believe sexuality is a BIG deal to women. But we rarely discuss what being a good lover actually entails.

That is the ONLY reason to get married in my book.

Children and family derive from the lover relationship and that is why the marriage must come first.

To clarify I can always get just sex if I wanted but that's not how I operate and I think promiscuity and hook up culture is very damaging. Because of my values I reserve sexual intimacy for the intimate partner and have always screened men who would seek me out to date as potential marriage partners.

That is what sane sensible women do, place high value on the sex & intimacy in LTRs & marriage.

 

[Bigpapa]

Why not (see marriage as your ticket to sex when you want)? I certainly see it that way. And I'm female.

I strongly disagree with the idea that women don't care about sex (they most assuredly do), and that women are totally transactional about marriage.

Why on Earth do I need to be married?

Without sexual access essentially on demand why would anyone put up with the compromise involved in marriage? I'm not lonely alone and I have friends and family who I can see here & there then retreat back into my peaceful life. No need to complicate my life without the lover dynamic. I don't NEED a man but I like having one to "do life" with. That starts with the intimate relationship, the desire/sex/intimate bonding. That derives from the lover dynamic.

Without that you are just friends at best. That's not enough for me to put up with a man in my space 24/7/365 for. I have friends to be buddies with. An intimate partner is different.

Never underestimate the value of being a good lover. If you become a good lover (which requires a skillset as noted by a number of the more experienced men here) then you better believe sexuality is a BIG deal to women. But we rarely discuss what being a good lover actually entails.

That is the ONLY reason to get married in my book.

Children and family derive from the lover relationship and that is why the marriage must come first.

To clarify I can always get just sex if I wanted but that's not how I operate and I think promiscuity and hook up culture is very damaging. Because of my values I reserve sexual intimacy for the intimate partner and have always screened men who would seek me out to date as potential marriage partners.

That is what sane sensible women do, place high value on the sex & intimacy in LTRs & marriage.

Sex alone does not make a relationship work if the other ingredients are missing or are not potent enough

Which means that sex alone is not a key ingredient for relationships

if you go into a relationship for the sole purpose to get laid, then it means that you go into relationships for the wrong reason

 

[BaronOfHair]

I've been passed over for being a woman before in STEM, and although in many ways a blessing, being pretty (for whatever idiotic reason) makes men think you got by on looks rather than smarts, so attractive women are often underestimated in the brains department

Similar is true of attractive men, for whatever consolation that provides, BE. One witnesses this on a macro level in the film industry, where handsome actors frequently play villains or seek out off-beat roles, to demonstrate that they're not just another Casper Van Dien or Tom Welling

 

[HaleyBaron]

It's not women that are the problem

Shoot and miss.

They are. And the weak men that enable or give in to them. Also, being irrational is their nature. That's why they were treated as kids and servants in most of human history. It's only recently they we gave them this much power, which is why we're falling apart just like Rome did when the same. Thing. Happened.