The LAST looks matter thread (Please!)

[L777]

I posted this in another thread, but thought it deserved its own.



Here's how much looks matter, I see no reason to carry on this damn debate after this post. Yes there are exceptions to this thing below, but in general, regarding the majority of the population, I think this is fairly accurate. 7 is average on my looks scale, not 5, SEVEN.

1---2---3---4.---5---6-*-7---8---9---10

All other things taken out of the equation, the closer to the right of the scale, the easier you are going to have it, full stop, period, no arguements.

The asterisk is roughly the minium requirement you need to be physically to pull MOST normal (as in, of sound mind) girls, who are to the right of that point themselves (HBs in other words.) How far to the right of you the girl you are trying to pull is, determines how hard it will be for you, and how good your game will have to be.

Now, this thing "looks" is not just bone structure of the face. It incorporates height (which can't be changed so don't get hung up on it), build, and grooming (I personally believe clothes don't make that much difference). I believe a decent body can move you up a whole point, and a good body (really built and ripped - takes years to achieve) can move you up 2 points, and good grooming (hair, skin etc) can move you up half a point) however, if you are not at least up to the dot though (thats on the 4) then as you can see, even a great body and grooming will not move you to the magic asterisk, so thats when you are screwed.

However, most, and I mean the vast, vast majority are average (7) at least - in terms of genetics. I have only, in my 5 months at university seen one person who I would consider genuinely, unchangeably ugly - sure I seen a lot of unattractive guys, but they could all change if they wanted it bad enough.

Don't believe hotornot and sites like that. I could pull 2 photos off my computer of myself and probably get 9 for one and 5 for the other, neither of which are fair reflections of me, I'd say I'm about an 8.

There, PLEASE let that be the end of the debate and the needless posting of looks matter/don't matter etc threads.

 

[NorPacWolf]

LOL. Where's ricosquared with his male models? This debate is hilarious.

PLEASE let that be the end of the debate...

 

[L777]

NO. This is just another rant about how much looks matter and why. You are clearly on the looks matter side, and are trying to force your closed-minded views on the rest of us. Unbelievable. This thread should be deleted. I'll see you in 20 fuсking pages L777. Good job.

WHAT? Thats exactly not what it is. Its a realistic answer to the debate of looks. I'm not closed minded, I believe in game as much as the next guy. This is a good answer to looks matter? though, cos most people just say "they do" or "they don't", at least I'm tring to be mature and reasonable about it, not give some biased, one dimensional, black and white answer.

 

[Sacratus Bellator]

I posted this in another thread, but thought it deserved its own.



Here's how much looks matter, I see no reason to carry on this damn debate after this post. Yes there are exceptions to this thing below, but in general, regarding the majority of the population, I think this is fairly accurate. 7 is average on my looks scale, not 5, SEVEN.

1---2---3---4.---5---6-*-7---8---9---10

All other things taken out of the equation, the closer to the right of the scale, the easier you are going to have it, full stop, period, no arguements.

The asterisk is roughly the minium requirement you need to be physically to pull MOST normal (as in, of sound mind) girls, who are to the right of that point themselves (HBs in other words.) How far to the right of you the girl you are trying to pull is, determines how hard it will be for you, and how good your game will have to be.

Now, this thing "looks" is not just bone structure of the face. It incorporates height (which can't be changed so don't get hung up on it), build, and grooming (I personally believe clothes don't make that much difference). I believe a decent body can move you up a whole point, and a good body (really built and ripped - takes years to achieve) can move you up 2 points, and good grooming (hair, skin etc) can move you up half a point) however, if you are not at least up to the dot though (thats on the 4) then as you can see, even a great body and grooming will not move you to the magic asterisk, so thats when you are screwed.

However, most, and I mean the vast, vast majority are average (7) at least - in terms of genetics. I have only, in my 5 months at university seen one person who I would consider genuinely, unchangeably ugly - sure I seen a lot of unattractive guys, but they could all change if they wanted it bad enough.

Don't believe hotornot and sites like that. I could pull 2 photos off my computer of myself and probably get 9 for one and 5 for the other, neither of which are fair reflections of me, I'd say I'm about an 8.

There, PLEASE let that be the end of the debate and the needless posting of looks matter/don't matter etc threads.

Has anyone seen a dead horse? Oh wait, I think I see some one beating it. This post will get out of hand and eventually be closed or deleted. I wish people would stop opening pandora's box.

 

[L777]

Has anyone seen a dead horse? Oh wait, I think I see some one beating it. This post will get out of hand and eventually be closed or deleted. I wish people would stop opening pandora's box.

lol thought this might happen.

This hasn't been addressed in a proper manner before because a) Ppl have biased views on this subject and b) ppl don't like hearing the truth.

Most posts on the topic are just LOOKS MATTER or LOOKS DONT MATTER, this expalins the degree to which this is true, what you can do about it and what you can't. It is a reality check for some, and a confirmation of what some ppl already knew. If you disagree, then say why, but don't flame, there isn't need

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...I'll see you in 20 fuсking pages L777. Good job.

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

 

[Chosen1]

Again this is your opinion. You're saying that the women will be attracted to 10' s no matter what. You are wrong so things are to complicated for people to just go for 10's. I mean what of the women that like big foreheads. What of the ones that like men like Norbid and would never cheat.

But let's for a moment assume you were correct. A women that only liked a 10 like say will smith would probably not like a guy that was a 10 like tom cruise. So I think I can say to your theory BOOYAH

 

[L777]

Again this is your opinion. You're saying that the women will be attracted to 10' s no matter what. You are wrong so things are to complicated for people to just go for 10's. I mean what of the women that like big foreheads. What of the ones that like men like Norbid and would never cheat.

But let's for a moment assume you were correct. A women that only liked a 10 like say will smith would probably not like a guy that was a 10 like tom cruise. So I think I can say to your theory BOOYAH

Like I said, theres always exceptions, but based on the general population (celebrities not included...its a different world) I think this is pretty accurate.

 

[danielzxc]

There, PLEASE let that be the end of the debate and the needless posting of looks matter/don't matter etc threads.

This is most definitely NOT how debates are conducted. You simply cannot demand that your points be the last word in any debate on anything.

I actually happen to agree with you. I'd nitpick you on making the average 7: I see no reason, statistically, not to make the average, on a scale of 1-10, 5. But on the whole I'm very much with you.

You're right that most looks debates tend to be about whether looks matter at all or not, when it seems rather obvious (at least to people like us) that the debate should be about how much they matter. I just can't understand people like Deus ExP who claims that they don't matter at all, that they "don't mean shyyt". What does he suppose teenage girls get all giddy about if not attractive guys? Clearly, good looking guys have an advantage.

Ah well, who cares what Deus or anyone thinks. If they haven't been convinced by now, they probably never will. It makes little difference to results of your own efforts in getting pyyssy what people like Deus believe, so why not just drop the matter? Why get worked up about it?

Anyway, whatever you do, you can't just demand people accept your views, no matter how strong you think your position is.

 

[danielzxc]

The fact that a famous ugly guy can pull left, right and centre directly disproves that looks are the most important thing.

Getting that famous is even harder than improving your looks. So much for that argument.

But come on, even among celebrities looks still matter. What do you think Brad Pitt's claim to fame is? Sure, he is a fine actor. But is he that much better than, say, Kiefer Sutherland? Girls sure go gaga over Pitt in a way you never heard about Sutherland -- why? Why is David Beckham such a star? There are many players of equal soccer ability, but he stands above them in celebrity because he's also one handsome devil.

 

[danielzxc]

Even a better question is why are you equating "giddyness" with putting a chick's legs up on your shoulders and going to town?

Cos, umm, the more "giddy" they are, the less game you need? When a chick's "giddy" for your looks, you can say dumb things, suggest lame activities, be shy whatever,and she'll give you chance after chance to make up for it. When she's not "giddy" over your looks, you need to be bring your a-game because otherwise she'll brush you off at the first foul up.

Ergo, looks ain't all, but they matter -- they make a difference.

ps -- I wasn't "equating".

 

[Docs]

The LAST debate took over 1000 replies to get locked. Why? Because all the points had been expressed.

DAFS next time, it's in plain sight.

(also, for the record, LOOKS matter to the INDIVIDUAL. I dont' care if looks matter to you, or to anyone else. They matter a certain amount to me, and a certain amount to you. No use debating it.)

Close this thread.

 

[danielzxc]

Why do people demand threads be closed? So what if they same points have already been debated. If you're tired of reading the same arguments, don't click on the thread!. Clearly some people still want to discuss the issue so what does it hurt to let them? Oh, I know, it's that YOUR (generically speaking) devastating arguments won't be included, and, God forbid, some people will draw their conclusions without having been exposed to them and we just can't have that can we now? Control freaks!

 

[green69]

I too am bored of the "do looks matter" threads. However, the parts of the thread I do find interesting are the "what makes guys physically attractive" debates.

Lately I have been a huge believer in peripheral aspects of a man having a HUGE impact on their overall looks. Things like clear skin, a tan, height, nice build, well-dressed etc. have a tremendous effect on the overall appearance.

I say this because I see very attractive looking guys who really have plain, average faces. But they have nice clear skin, good tan, tall, great build and THAT'S why they're good looking - almost entirely separate from their facial structure. Picture these physically attractive guys 3 inches shorter, skinny build, pale skin w/ a couple pimples and suddenly you have an average looking guy. As the OP poster was saying, you can really upgrade your physical attractiveness A LOT simply by working on the things you can control - ie. muscular build, tan, clothing, hair.

That's my goal right now. I'm trying to max aspects of my look that I CAN control. I would say my face is well above average, but I'm not the tallest guy (only 5'9''), I'm fairly thin, somewhat pale, and my skin is not totally clear.

I've done hours of research on how to clear up my pores/mild acne so that I have nice clean skin - it really goes a long way trust me. I've been dressing nicer, got myself a watch which adds a nice touch and I feel more confident simply by being well dressed. I've been trying to add muscle to my skinny frame, and I've put on 7 pounds in the last 4 months. Hey, not outstanding results but I am making progress and that makes me feel good. While I am fairly pale in the winter, with the weather heating up I'm sure my skin will have a bit more of a healthy glow. I can't control my height, but I'm not overly short so that shouldn't downplay my looks too much.

The point is, MAX OUT the things you CAN control, because you can seriously go from an average lookin guy to someone that would be deemed very physically attractive simply by working on the 'little extras' that a majority of people don't bother focusing on. And you know what, people can debate all day long on how much looks are important. But bottom line, if you look good, you're probably gonna feel better about yourself...and you're gonna be more confident and it shows in the way you think, act, and speak.

 

[DJF or John]

Lol.

What's the point of all this?

Why do you guys care so much? Everybody has to be right, right? Nobody can be wrong?

This stuff is just pointless, and what are you getting out of it?

Stop these pointless debates. If somebody doesn't agree with you, then just let it go.

Let me tell you...NOTHING MATTERS!

Nothing Matters EXCEPT us finding our own UNIQUE ways on how we fvck women.

That's what matters, having success! Trying to prove who's right or wrong is just a waste of time because there's just too much to consider.......

 

[Chosen1]

This is the face of the looks-matter crowd. Get used to it.

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Even a better question is why are you equating "giddyness" with putting a chick's legs up on your shoulders and going to town?

This is great, even though a women gets giddy over a handsome man (sometimes) dosen't mean she would sleep with them. As a matter of fact women get giddy over almost any man that pays them attention. Someone here also speaks of high school but have you ever seen the guys that were just funny and got laid and a lot of attention. I mean they were fat ugly sometimes and acted weird but got laid. My point is and this is my last point here is that you can't just walk through life good looking. I would say believe me but I'm not a 10.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

I'd say i'm a six or seven to most girls,but my height and build gets me more attention than I should.

If I were just 2 inches shorter and 40 pounds lighter I know I wouldn't get half the girls I get know,to be honest.That's just reality.

IMO you can be a five and look like a ten to some women depending on her taste and how you present yourself.

It does matter.

Most of these guys don't realize that until they're in competition with an overly-attractive dude.Once they notice how women tend to swoon over him no matter how much of a prick he is or how annoyingly nice he is..

I mean if you're a prick you can be ten and alot of women won't mess with you,yeah that's true a prick is a prick is a prick.

But like it or not most women will gravitate towards a goodlooking prick if chooses to go after her...of course.

Don't know many good looking or even slighty above average guys that are alone and not by choice.

Sorry to tell you.Oh you can be cooler and slicker and have more game but pound for pound the Brad Pitt types will always get more ass.

Also:Height and Physique play more into your "hotness" than your face,unless you mess with model wannabe girls.