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The best advice I've seen in a very long time BGC... and I mean it.
Hello Friend,
If this is your first visit to SoSuave, I would advise you to START HERE.
It will be the most efficient use of your time.
And you will learn everything you need to know to become a huge success with women.
Thank you for visiting and have a great day!
The Key to Success With Girls
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This statement is so TRUE .
I laugh at the guys that waste their money on all that SPEED SEDUCTION shyt, when your post just gave the ultimate secret away for free.
If you can live with yourself by screwing other people over, then this is the only tip you'll ever need.
This post is partially true in that deception is key and incredibly what most people want. Notice a big movie out now "Catch Me if you Can", with Leonardo DiCaprio playing the part of a real-life flim flam man. Women love it.
There is a way to accomplish most of this and still remain moral and that is to WITHOLD information. The LAST thing women want is a completely honest man. If you're totally up front with all questions she asks you, you're sunk.
I'm starting another thread to expound on this.
There is a way to accomplish most of this and still remain moral and that is to WITHOLD information. The LAST thing women want is a completely honest man. If you're totally up front with all questions she asks you, you're sunk.
I'm starting another thread to expound on this.
studmuffin15
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hey blunt.....this has nothing to do with religion or where the word lesbian came from. get a grip.
as a guy, if u plan to lie in a relationship, the extent of it should be, "no, you're not fat", "no, that other girl is not hotter than you, etc." ....if u choose to lie.
It is obvious that the ones who are supporting the lying thing with full merit don't have much experience with older women, or women with class. you will see as you get older what is expected in a relationship. it has nothing to do with being whipped or shyt like that. the world has been based upon trust since the beginning of time. once trust is shattered, it is extremely difficult for productive and meaningful relationships to exist. don't believe me? look at the great conflicts of time and you will see a lack of trust somewhere along the line....even in current events today.
u want a one-nite stand with some drunk sl*t, maybe a lie will do u good. but dont expect your long-term chances to be good with a chick that you've lied to. maybe not even your chances at a second bang once she finds out your tales.
as a guy, if u plan to lie in a relationship, the extent of it should be, "no, you're not fat", "no, that other girl is not hotter than you, etc." ....if u choose to lie.
It is obvious that the ones who are supporting the lying thing with full merit don't have much experience with older women, or women with class. you will see as you get older what is expected in a relationship. it has nothing to do with being whipped or shyt like that. the world has been based upon trust since the beginning of time. once trust is shattered, it is extremely difficult for productive and meaningful relationships to exist. don't believe me? look at the great conflicts of time and you will see a lack of trust somewhere along the line....even in current events today.
u want a one-nite stand with some drunk sl*t, maybe a lie will do u good. but dont expect your long-term chances to be good with a chick that you've lied to. maybe not even your chances at a second bang once she finds out your tales.
VeryBadGirl
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Clearly, I disagree with this.... that whole moral thing. Sure, it may work if you just want to f*ck and run... But if that is all you want, save yourself some time and effort and get a *****.
Everyone puts their best foot forward during the first few dates - but this isn't lying, it is protecting yourself. You have to get to know someone a bit before you can let them into all your faults, etc. This kind of withholding of info is just the way things are, but it is never straight-up lying. It just involved NOT telling the person you just started dating about how you cried for 2 days straight when your dog died last year, you are obsessed with PS2 and your porn collection cost you more than your car.
Eventually, they find all that sh*t out. But at that point, they already know all the great stuff about you, so they don't care as much. As time goes on, you both figure out whether or not you can live with each others flaws. If you can, you continue on and are happy. If you can't, you break up. Unromantic but true.
Everyone puts their best foot forward during the first few dates - but this isn't lying, it is protecting yourself. You have to get to know someone a bit before you can let them into all your faults, etc. This kind of withholding of info is just the way things are, but it is never straight-up lying. It just involved NOT telling the person you just started dating about how you cried for 2 days straight when your dog died last year, you are obsessed with PS2 and your porn collection cost you more than your car.
Eventually, they find all that sh*t out. But at that point, they already know all the great stuff about you, so they don't care as much. As time goes on, you both figure out whether or not you can live with each others flaws. If you can, you continue on and are happy. If you can't, you break up. Unromantic but true.
Starman
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This is an example of where moderation is key..and NEVER to excess.
are you telling me , if you raised a few babies on a stranded island and left them to their own devices..morality wouldnt exist and they would kill each other off?
Lying has its time and place..and if you can use it to your own advantage to get ahead with women , money, life, friends etc..good for you!
But if you get lost in your lies and use it as a crutch never to advance forward with your own lies, and use it to build a false sense of self esteem..then I'd check yourself..
The notion is Fake it till you make it..not Fake it , and keep faking it till you get dumped.
are you telling me , if you raised a few babies on a stranded island and left them to their own devices..morality wouldnt exist and they would kill each other off?
Lying has its time and place..and if you can use it to your own advantage to get ahead with women , money, life, friends etc..good for you!
But if you get lost in your lies and use it as a crutch never to advance forward with your own lies, and use it to build a false sense of self esteem..then I'd check yourself..
The notion is Fake it till you make it..not Fake it , and keep faking it till you get dumped.
As i have seen it work over and over and over again. I used to have a friend that would be full of BS.... After awhile I dont' even think he knew what was a lie or the truth. HE told females this, friends, family, strangers. I mean he was one hell of a BS artist, but if you hang around him enough, you catch him in his own lies.
Funny thing is, if your just out for a one night stand, go for it, if nothing else is working for you.
BUt if you constantly BS everybody, about anyting and everything. That usually means your the type of person who when one friend is basically used up, you move on to the next "victim". Your no more then a con-artist.
And as i told my former friend, its all fine and dandy to BS and scam people and play the "game" and all but one day, your gonna mess with the wrong person.
Cause he would use girls, abuse girls, scam girls for money, cars, etc but yet they still came back to him and their friends wanted him too..
But Then he started to do the same thing to his friends and family and strangers. Then suddenly most of his friends caught on to his BS and just left, and the last i heard, somebody was after him cause he owed them money.
Its all great to BS and scam and be dishonest, cause in all likelihood, you'll get ahead, get promoted, get more chics then ever, but remember, the more you lie, the more you forget and the more likely that if he mess with the wrong person, they won't take your BS too kindly. And that has nothing to do with morals. Cause most people who claim they have no "MORALS" and they are all tought, are the first to cry and whine when people do catch onto their BS act.
Funny thing is, if your just out for a one night stand, go for it, if nothing else is working for you.
BUt if you constantly BS everybody, about anyting and everything. That usually means your the type of person who when one friend is basically used up, you move on to the next "victim". Your no more then a con-artist.
And as i told my former friend, its all fine and dandy to BS and scam people and play the "game" and all but one day, your gonna mess with the wrong person.
Cause he would use girls, abuse girls, scam girls for money, cars, etc but yet they still came back to him and their friends wanted him too..
But Then he started to do the same thing to his friends and family and strangers. Then suddenly most of his friends caught on to his BS and just left, and the last i heard, somebody was after him cause he owed them money.
Its all great to BS and scam and be dishonest, cause in all likelihood, you'll get ahead, get promoted, get more chics then ever, but remember, the more you lie, the more you forget and the more likely that if he mess with the wrong person, they won't take your BS too kindly. And that has nothing to do with morals. Cause most people who claim they have no "MORALS" and they are all tought, are the first to cry and whine when people do catch onto their BS act.
Don-Wan Kenobi
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Will the real Slim Angry please stand up
Deception can work.
Of course, you can also build a house out of horseshlt. I mean, I would prefer to build a house out of brick and not horseshlt so that when it rains, the place doesn't wash away.
Deception can work.
Of course, you can also build a house out of horseshlt. I mean, I would prefer to build a house out of brick and not horseshlt so that when it rains, the place doesn't wash away.
DoubleA
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Hold Up!
Peep this...
I recently read a interview with this cat named Tariq K-Flex. A straight pimp. Period. This cat made a comment about dudes that lie to get with females.
He basically said, there is no reason to lie, because "when you lie, you got to keep up that lie and that takes too much energy. It's useless and that's the problem with guys now. Guys are doing to much just to get some *****".
It's supposed to be simple. You don't have to lie to a bird about jack. If your kind of embarrassed about your situation, we all can understand. Hell, I used to fear talkin to birds who had their stuff together, because I was still living with my folks.
He also said, "Like some dudes might be broke. In that situation you don't lie, but you just be vague about your itshay. If she's like, "where do you live?" You say "ahh, I got a little spot you know what I'm sayin’, I do my thang." "But this ain't about me, this is about YOU, where you live?" Always turn the itshay back to her and women don't mind that because women love talkin’ about themselves. They don't have a problem talkin’ about themselves. You get that bird to talk about herself, you in there."
All lying does is create the opportunity for failure. Man lying to these women may work the first week but in the long run it's you that has done all the work. Covering tracks and securing proof that what you said can be a bit too much for the most part. I got a damn 9 to 5, why the hell do I need to work for "it" in my spare time?That's crazy. A DJ is supposed to flow like the motion of water. Smooth in every way. All lies do make it harder for you to flow and focus on your main goal, when it comes getting what you want out of that particular girl or girls.
I always approached women with the same frame of mind I had with seeling merchandise at Circuit City when I was in college.....
.......
"It's 80% Bulls%$t and 20% Sell."
As long as you're ACTING like you're into what she's about, but not sweating her is the key. SELLING is important. Making her feel as though YOU are the catch NOT HER. You bring more to the table than you think, man. But it's up to her to work and find out. Like K-Flex said don't impress these birds. They love mysterious guys. Make em bring it to you.
Peep this...
I recently read a interview with this cat named Tariq K-Flex. A straight pimp. Period. This cat made a comment about dudes that lie to get with females.
He basically said, there is no reason to lie, because "when you lie, you got to keep up that lie and that takes too much energy. It's useless and that's the problem with guys now. Guys are doing to much just to get some *****".
It's supposed to be simple. You don't have to lie to a bird about jack. If your kind of embarrassed about your situation, we all can understand. Hell, I used to fear talkin to birds who had their stuff together, because I was still living with my folks.
He also said, "Like some dudes might be broke. In that situation you don't lie, but you just be vague about your itshay. If she's like, "where do you live?" You say "ahh, I got a little spot you know what I'm sayin’, I do my thang." "But this ain't about me, this is about YOU, where you live?" Always turn the itshay back to her and women don't mind that because women love talkin’ about themselves. They don't have a problem talkin’ about themselves. You get that bird to talk about herself, you in there."
All lying does is create the opportunity for failure. Man lying to these women may work the first week but in the long run it's you that has done all the work. Covering tracks and securing proof that what you said can be a bit too much for the most part. I got a damn 9 to 5, why the hell do I need to work for "it" in my spare time?That's crazy. A DJ is supposed to flow like the motion of water. Smooth in every way. All lies do make it harder for you to flow and focus on your main goal, when it comes getting what you want out of that particular girl or girls.
I always approached women with the same frame of mind I had with seeling merchandise at Circuit City when I was in college.....
.......
"It's 80% Bulls%$t and 20% Sell."
As long as you're ACTING like you're into what she's about, but not sweating her is the key. SELLING is important. Making her feel as though YOU are the catch NOT HER. You bring more to the table than you think, man. But it's up to her to work and find out. Like K-Flex said don't impress these birds. They love mysterious guys. Make em bring it to you.
DonDadda
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Rollo. Spoken like a true DJ.
thecraftylefty
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BGC, been a long time man. Great post. For the the guys out there that disagree with this, it is because you view your world as a perfect drug. It disguises your true intentions, which is ultimately to nail every hot chick in existence. Think about nature for a second, not your conscience (yes they are different). Nature provides the means to seduction, not the tools.
You go about living just to live longer (think primative survival). That's the only reason. Then when you understand what is actually being said, not just the "I think deception is bad" from a moral viewpoint, you'll see what was trying to be presented in the first place. We are all manipulative by nature, because we strive to get as much as we can out of life, no matter what our consequences (nor conversely our motives). Think about a good magician? Why is he good? He is good at deception, the vision of illusion. He makes us see what we want to see, even though in reality we know what is real and is false. But we see it anyway because that is what we want to see, the impossible. The imagineable. The unreal. We want what nature cannot provide us, and nature cannot provide us with fabrications. Nature provides us with a means to survive, not for a life of predestined fornication. You'll get exactly out of life what you put into it. No more and no less.
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
You go about living just to live longer (think primative survival). That's the only reason. Then when you understand what is actually being said, not just the "I think deception is bad" from a moral viewpoint, you'll see what was trying to be presented in the first place. We are all manipulative by nature, because we strive to get as much as we can out of life, no matter what our consequences (nor conversely our motives). Think about a good magician? Why is he good? He is good at deception, the vision of illusion. He makes us see what we want to see, even though in reality we know what is real and is false. But we see it anyway because that is what we want to see, the impossible. The imagineable. The unreal. We want what nature cannot provide us, and nature cannot provide us with fabrications. Nature provides us with a means to survive, not for a life of predestined fornication. You'll get exactly out of life what you put into it. No more and no less.
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
studmuffin15
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crafty:
i see what u r saying, but when it comes to deception, there are different "levels". one can choose to deceive by not telling the whole truth, or the entire story, while others can choose to deceive through outright lying >>> making things up that didnt happen.
for all u guys that put ur faith in lying, believing that lying will lead u to what u want, do what u have to do. but as you get older and wiser, and experience life from different angles, you will realize that lying is NOT the way to go. btw, i am glad to see a couple of guys posting replies who agree with me on this...our experiences lead us to the same conclusion.
but again, it's akin to playing with fire. you guys are being warned, flat out, but you will insist on doing it, and doing it hardcore, until you get burned. hopefully, u wont get burned beyond repair.
i see what u r saying, but when it comes to deception, there are different "levels". one can choose to deceive by not telling the whole truth, or the entire story, while others can choose to deceive through outright lying >>> making things up that didnt happen.
for all u guys that put ur faith in lying, believing that lying will lead u to what u want, do what u have to do. but as you get older and wiser, and experience life from different angles, you will realize that lying is NOT the way to go. btw, i am glad to see a couple of guys posting replies who agree with me on this...our experiences lead us to the same conclusion.
but again, it's akin to playing with fire. you guys are being warned, flat out, but you will insist on doing it, and doing it hardcore, until you get burned. hopefully, u wont get burned beyond repair.
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I guess sothecraftylefty
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Hey studmuffin15,
I still don't think you understand where I'm coming from. Let me try to explain a bit better. Deception is a lie, I agree. But I don't believe lying is wrong. That is where we differ. Lying is bad because you believe it is, because that is all that has been presented to you throughout your life. No one has ever told you lying is good, because our society is strictly opposed to it. Taking it a step further, there are no degrees of lying. If you lie, you lie. Deceit is deceit. Although when you deceive you may have different reasons for doing so, it really doesn't matter (to me). My philosophy (for lackthereof a better word) is to do whatever it takes to get what I want. No shame. No mercy, no guilt. Within the realms of law, I will do whatever needed.
I may sound heartless upon my part (and I would agree because that is what I would think reading it from someone else's perspective) but hear me out before you judge me. I do not go out of my way to cause harm to anyone intentionally. If I see an old lady crossing the street I'll help her. I am generally a kind person. But when the times comes and I see something I want, I'm going to try to get it, and I'll use everything in my arsenal to get it. I won't waste my time if I feel it isn't worth it.
Now I understand I may sound contradictory about many of my statements, but realize that a person can have many beliefs systems within a collective "moralily." I'll explain further in detail if anyone wishes.
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
I still don't think you understand where I'm coming from. Let me try to explain a bit better. Deception is a lie, I agree. But I don't believe lying is wrong. That is where we differ. Lying is bad because you believe it is, because that is all that has been presented to you throughout your life. No one has ever told you lying is good, because our society is strictly opposed to it. Taking it a step further, there are no degrees of lying. If you lie, you lie. Deceit is deceit. Although when you deceive you may have different reasons for doing so, it really doesn't matter (to me). My philosophy (for lackthereof a better word) is to do whatever it takes to get what I want. No shame. No mercy, no guilt. Within the realms of law, I will do whatever needed.
I may sound heartless upon my part (and I would agree because that is what I would think reading it from someone else's perspective) but hear me out before you judge me. I do not go out of my way to cause harm to anyone intentionally. If I see an old lady crossing the street I'll help her. I am generally a kind person. But when the times comes and I see something I want, I'm going to try to get it, and I'll use everything in my arsenal to get it. I won't waste my time if I feel it isn't worth it.
Now I understand I may sound contradictory about many of my statements, but realize that a person can have many beliefs systems within a collective "moralily." I'll explain further in detail if anyone wishes.
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
diplomatic_lies
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Firstly, I am a LIAR. I lie, and I do it often. Every day, every week, every MICROSECOND in my life is a lie.
However, I don't lie directly, par se. I don't go "I make $100M every second and I am richer than Bill Gates".
I don't even lie to women about myself. As I remember, the most modest man who suceeds is also the most attractive (as opposed to a lying sonofa***** whom women later discover to be a fraud). When I do something well, I let the results show.
Nor do I lie to people. I have a friend who lies, told me he got 90 for his final high school certificate score (I later discovered little flaws, and finally figured the highest score he got was only 75).
These kind of "lies" are the idiot's lies. They are lies spread by really stupid people who think they can get away, and in the end, they are caught on one of them. One lie is enough to kill you.
However, I do believe there is a fine line between LYING and DECEPTION. Lying is about making something up that is totally untrue; deception is about letting other people lie to themselves. Deception isn't making something up; its simply stating facts which suggest, or point to, a certain conclusion.
Instead of directly making up something and feeding it to people, you simply allow them to feed crap to themselves. The "truth" isn't simply facts - its how you tell the facts, how you show body language while telling the facts, and how you present the facts.
People are caught because they make a direct lie, but don't act the part. I have a class-mate who told me that he was popular at his old school - but at the school, he was a loser. What did that tell me?
The old story about a garbage man stating he worked for a "government agency", and "takes care of the nasty elements in the State" holds some truth. People are manipulated by appearance, not word. A single gesture is worth a thousand words. You don't win a negotiation by telling someone you're trustworthy. You ACT trustworthy.
I'm not even talking about women. Life in general is deception. You act sophiscated, even if you are not. By acting out a lie, you make the lie a TRUTH. By acting like a smooth, calm man, you become smooth and calm, and other people accept you as such. A clerk once studied law books. He wanted to be a lawyer. On his first interview, he didn't make a single lie. Instead, he dressed up neatly, studied the movements of great lawyers and imitated them. He was relaxed, confident, and smooth - the primary requisits for such a profession. Yet he was still a clerk who didn't have any experience with law. His name? Abraham Lincoln. He would later become the US's most inflential leaders, simply because he once performed a slight act of deception.
The current Chinese leader, Zhiang Zheming (remember that Chinese politics contains a lot of power grabbing, backstabbing, etc), once stated that:
"Deception comes with the action, not the words."
However, I don't lie directly, par se. I don't go "I make $100M every second and I am richer than Bill Gates".
I don't even lie to women about myself. As I remember, the most modest man who suceeds is also the most attractive (as opposed to a lying sonofa***** whom women later discover to be a fraud). When I do something well, I let the results show.
Nor do I lie to people. I have a friend who lies, told me he got 90 for his final high school certificate score (I later discovered little flaws, and finally figured the highest score he got was only 75).
These kind of "lies" are the idiot's lies. They are lies spread by really stupid people who think they can get away, and in the end, they are caught on one of them. One lie is enough to kill you.
However, I do believe there is a fine line between LYING and DECEPTION. Lying is about making something up that is totally untrue; deception is about letting other people lie to themselves. Deception isn't making something up; its simply stating facts which suggest, or point to, a certain conclusion.
Instead of directly making up something and feeding it to people, you simply allow them to feed crap to themselves. The "truth" isn't simply facts - its how you tell the facts, how you show body language while telling the facts, and how you present the facts.
People are caught because they make a direct lie, but don't act the part. I have a class-mate who told me that he was popular at his old school - but at the school, he was a loser. What did that tell me?
The old story about a garbage man stating he worked for a "government agency", and "takes care of the nasty elements in the State" holds some truth. People are manipulated by appearance, not word. A single gesture is worth a thousand words. You don't win a negotiation by telling someone you're trustworthy. You ACT trustworthy.
I'm not even talking about women. Life in general is deception. You act sophiscated, even if you are not. By acting out a lie, you make the lie a TRUTH. By acting like a smooth, calm man, you become smooth and calm, and other people accept you as such. A clerk once studied law books. He wanted to be a lawyer. On his first interview, he didn't make a single lie. Instead, he dressed up neatly, studied the movements of great lawyers and imitated them. He was relaxed, confident, and smooth - the primary requisits for such a profession. Yet he was still a clerk who didn't have any experience with law. His name? Abraham Lincoln. He would later become the US's most inflential leaders, simply because he once performed a slight act of deception.
The current Chinese leader, Zhiang Zheming (remember that Chinese politics contains a lot of power grabbing, backstabbing, etc), once stated that:
"Deception comes with the action, not the words."
GREAT post Diplomat
I am realizing more and more everyday that the way you present yourself through body language and other non-verbal communication is KEY.
The best form of deception is letting other people formulate an opinion of you based upon how you act, what you DON'T say, and other factors such as your clothing and what kind of car you drive.
Have there been any posts covering this specific subject lately? If not we should start one.
I am realizing more and more everyday that the way you present yourself through body language and other non-verbal communication is KEY.
The best form of deception is letting other people formulate an opinion of you based upon how you act, what you DON'T say, and other factors such as your clothing and what kind of car you drive.
Have there been any posts covering this specific subject lately? If not we should start one.
Deception
I don't beleive you should live in a bubble of a lie with your female friends. You may not have to reveal every personal detail about yourself, but to be a constant liar is a form of how you are a failure in life and don't know how to succeed.
I don't beleive you should live in a bubble of a lie with your female friends. You may not have to reveal every personal detail about yourself, but to be a constant liar is a form of how you are a failure in life and don't know how to succeed.
USSOCOM
Senior Don Juan
Anyone who believes this guy is weak minded. If one relys on deception you will NEVER achieve happiness. Not only does deception hurt others around you, but it also hurts you. Specifically your integrity, confidence and humor, deception shows that your not confortable with who you are. In some cases deception has to be used of course, because why would their be deception if you didn't have to use it once in a while? But to base all of your achievements on deception is wrong.
But to base all of your achievements on deception is wrong.