The Importance of Money in Men's SMV

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https://mindful-masculinity.org/202...analysis-of-moneysexual-market-value-and-pua/

It came to me the other day a post on my Instagram in reply to a reel made by The Natural Lifestyles dating coach Alex Leon. During which he claimed that money was only “ 2 percent “ of attraction between men and women – the cheek really. I found this astoundingly poor advice and something that could **** up men’s perspectives if they took it seriously.

Also before I continue you I must stress you should never take any dating coaches perspectives too seriously- you need to analyse them all and scrutinise them to a Tee – mine included obviously ( and im not a dating coach just a relationship blogger at best buffoon at worst )

In my article I discuss:
  1. Political implications of money and relationships
  2. the dating coaches who say "money doesn't matter"
  3. Geographical patterns of money and hot women
  4. analysing how money can be pivotal in a global sexual marketplace
  5. are goldiging *****s all bad?
  6. Are women wrong to be gold diggers?
  7. my experience "puaing" girls from the third world
  8. How lack of money diminishes men's smv
  9. spending money on logistics pros and cons
  10. are dating coaches all hypocrites?
 

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Having money sure beats not having it. That said, most hot, young, childless women place more value on a poor bad boy than a good, moderately wealthy Beta - but once one of those adjectives are no longer applicable, they begin to see the value of the Beta. :rolleyes:
 
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Avoid superficial girls, princesses, gold diggers though.
All the 'outer trappings' like visible wealth / status are only necessary if you're a charmless douche nozzle.

I have money, I retired in 2011, but I don't flaunt my affluence, don't spread 'provider vibes'. Women have sex with me because I'm fun, not because I can buy them stuff.

Or pay for car repairs, home improvement, or airline tickets. The only women who can ask that from you are the ones who married you. And if you're smart, you don't marry someone who sees you as a walking wallet.
 

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It depends on the girl. I know western women are all evil feminists that eat men after day light and sacrifice boy children to Hillary Clinton, but don’t care about money and stability as much as other women do. In the USA, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Indian, Eastern European, light skinned South American and some Asian women put way more emphasis on money than other women. Mexicans and Caribbean seem to care more about stability and work ethic though.
 

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OP, think about it: if you're using money to get women to talk to you or have sex with you then in reality what you're doing is a variation of subscribing to OnlyFans or getting escorts.
Genuine desire and attraction, which are fundamental for a good relationship don't involve money.
It's true that the more money you have, the more you can spend on exotic vacations, fancy cars etc, but if she divorces you because you can't afford the Maldives vacation anymore, that wasn't a proper relationship to begin with, you were just an ATM to her. If she comes to your house to have sex but changes her mind because your place doesn't scream financial abundance, then she didn't have genuine desire for you to begin with and now she proves she's just a hoe and you don't meet her price.

You mention in the article that 29% of divorces are due to 'financial issues' but that's just a plausible, logically sounding excuse ... if you were to take it case by case, and investigate their relationship history, how they got together etc, I bet you'd see money has nothing to do with their separation. Throughout history couples have withstood real financial hardships, none of this modern BS (can't afford the latest Iphone, private kindergarten fees, latest model SUV etc) that supposedly breaks down relationships nowadays.
 

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most hot, young, childless women place more value on a poor bad boy than a good, moderately wealthy Beta
Looks over money. Your bad boy example is some combination of looks and personality.

once one of those adjectives are no longer applicable, they begin to see the value of the Beta. :rolleyes:
A lot of gold diggers are 30s/40s women seeking 10+ years older men. That said, some of the most successful gold diggers and sugar babies on Seeking are the 18-25s. But that's a different subset.
 

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Money doesn't really matter, I don't have much and I date and bang solid girls, way younger than. Avoid superficial girls, princesses, gold diggers though.
Agreed.

And anyway if a guy waits until he makes X amount of money he'll miss out on a lot of fun. Money, physical fitness, self improvement, and laying women can all be worked on concurrently. (Though sometimes focusing on one at the expense of another is healthy.)
 
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It depends on the girl. I know western women are all evil feminists that eat men after day light and sacrifice boy children to Hillary Clinton, but don’t care about money and stability as much as other women do. In the USA, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Indian, Eastern European, light skinned South American and some Asian women put way more emphasis on money than other women. Mexicans and Caribbean seem to care more about stability and work ethic though.
I tend to display stability, but not affluence. I don't care if a woman would see me as a penniless bum because I don't sport Zegna threads. In my opinion, if you have to impress a woman with money, you must be low on charm and other attractive traits.
 

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The importance of money for men is the biggest factor holding back relationships and progress from the modern world.

As most men do not require much money in todays very wealthy and modern world with lots of security no one really needs much at all.

Women simply use money (as they do height, looks, muscles etc) as a way to lower the value of men in their eyes, and in your eyes.
Its just very bad attitudes and negativity from women to look at mens monetary value.

The Game of life has to be played like this: First Women, then Power, then Money. Not the inverse which is what the movies made men believe.

Only foolish men and women care about money and a womens job is basically to ensure the man she likes has the most money and status in society. A females role is to choose the guy she wants to lead and to ensure he has enough status and money, the guys job is to ensure he is the leader. The leader has leadership skills not money and for that contradiction the woman has to pick does she wantr an alpha or a guy with money and ALL women will ultimately end up choosing leadership over money so they may aswell make sure he has money.

Its a females responsibility to vote and collectively change society so that there is no contradiction betweenthey the type of man they want to leadand the type of man who has the most money and status.

So in short women SHOULD NOT be judging men on money at all they should not even be thinking about it but it is just their lowly nature, their insecurity and stupidness and their poverty mindset that is causing this.

Then you have to remember that women are so dumb that they are living in the richest society ever imaginaeble for humanity andyet many of them are still struggling, stressing and worried about their jobs and money and need money from others it just because they are so stupid that they got played by Capitalism and the system but its because they tried to play men that they got played and are too stupid and backward to change things for there benefit.
 

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Make no mistake, money is #1.
Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and personality.

I've always rated looks and money and #1 and #2. I've perceived looks being more important than money in most cases.

A lot of women make their own money these days, which is why threads like the one below exist where we see women crapping on men who make $75,000 - $125,000 per year. That's a solid salary range. Many college educated women with some experience can get close to that salary on their own, so that man is unappealing without elite level looks. If a man plays the money game today, he needs comparatively more money than he would have needed in past eras.

 

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I tend to display stability, but not affluence. I don't care if a woman would see me as a penniless bum because I don't sport Zegna threads. In my opinion, if you have to impress a woman with money, you must be low on charm and other attractive traits.
Based off my observations, you tend to niche max/hobby max, so you being stable especially when it comes to dealing with art, is a massive plus.

A lot of women make their own money these days, which is why threads like the one below exist where we see women crapping on men who make $75,000 - $125,000 per year. That's a solid salary range. Many college educated women with some experience can get close to that salary on their own, so that man is unappealing without elite level looks. If a man plays the money game today, he needs comparatively more money than he would have needed in past eras.
I think the issue with the semi-successful man is that they tend to lack game/energy from their jobs or arrogance and think they are a good catch to a woman in their eyes. A woman that makes her own money would rather settle for a guy that makes less than them, but tickles their pvssy over a guy that makes similar or slightly more that doesn't provide anything else. Women will always choose a guy that tickles their pvssy over a boring guy that relies on his job for game. If you can be a stable guy that tickles her pvssy or in the words of Coach Greg Adams.. "Tupac with a Degree" then you are a king in her eyes
 

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Alpha Fux
Beta Bux
Anyone?

Rollo would be throwing a fit if he knew what this place has become.


Money does not make a woman want to sleep with you; it makes her want your money and she'll sleep with you for access to it.
"Alpha Fux / Beta Bux" kind of contradicts the whole money component. It implies she will fukk a broke alpha and settle for a beta who earns. Not that I subscribe to that, it's one of those "it rhymes!" mantras.

Anyway this comes down to frame and self acceptance like all things. Chasing money to get laid might work, but I go for it (via ambition) for my own pleasure, not hers. They can hop on or get off, whatever, they're just chicks.
 

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Let me tell you guys how simple this is:

What women like and find attractive: Leadership, Alpha, Nature, Life, THE ORIGINAL thing
What gets a guy money: Playing stupid corporate games, marketing, manipulation, sucking up to management, taking it up the ass from corporate business world, accepting the current system.

As you can see the two above are opposites. We hear and talk about 'successful alpha males' in the corporate business world but this is just a lie and even a female fantasy,like the fake image of 'alpha male' corporate guys like Christian Gray, or Mad Men money whatever, this is a pathetically degenerate sexual fantasy for women, when in reality MOST corporate guys even successful ones are worn down pathetic losers.

For this reason, monetary success is more likely to be inversely correlated to female success for the average man.
It is because the way to get money, jobs, status, etc requires one to 'play the game' and that causes innate beta male behaviours that deep down females find unattractive. If our system allowed quality guys to get money then it wouldnt ne so bad.

@SW15 Got it correct that the current mainstream capitalist corporate culture will sufficiently destroy a mans character and personality lowering his intrinsic value to females, but he will have more money than the guy who lives an easier care-free lower money life. Then, the woman has to choose between a guy with more money but lower character or the opposite guy, and we are gonna soon find a big move towards the latter, as there are many many men of the former which is the norm and that is the main cause of teh decline.
 

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I guess I don't understand where you find that this contradicts the money component.
Yeah I didn't explain it well. I always though that AF/BB idea meant that she'll fukk an alpha, whatever his economic situation, but then "settle" for a beta who's earning a living. (And then sometimes go fukk an alpha behind his back.)

If that's true then money is not a requirement for getting steady pu$$y. Which is the point of this thread.
 

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Women care about money. The difference is in how you make it that can turn her on. If you're a 9-5 guy, that's not sexy. If you're a hustler, that's sexy. That's why when Trump walks into a room, everyone reacts whether positively or negatively. Money works for him, not the other way around. Every girl from every walk of life loves the guy who isn't dependent on money to walk the world. He pursues what he wants and money happens to land into his hands one way or another. That is what decides your SMV. Most men cannot exhibit this behavior because it goes deeper than just being able to fake it.
 
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