"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The hellish cost of Divorce

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fuzzball said:
they say men cry 17 times a year vs women who do it 44 times....this thread brought about all 17 times this year. thanks.

i wonder if there is any hope for those of us that do actually want kids and a family.
There doesn't seem to be much here concerning men who want a family. Yes its clear that marriage is a bad deal for men but there should be more advice on how a man should best go about starting a family. How can we best minimize the risks? Sure one doesnt need to be married to start a family but a man can still be screwed over by child support.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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PlayHer Man said:
That's pure sh!t. We don't come "hardwired" to want a family. That's all society my friend. We come hardwired to f*ck and protect our young until they are old enough to protect themselves.

Stop makin' sh!t up.
True but I dont see it as bad hardwiring. We have enough idiots in the world steady popping out kids. If all the sensible people stop desiring a family then civilization is fvcked.
 

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JoeMarron said:
True but I dont see it as bad hardwiring. We have enough idiots in the world steady popping out kids. If all the sensible people stop desiring a family then civilization is fvcked.
Not really. YEAH society is f*cked but not because of that. Lots of "sensible people" spawn criminals and f*ck-ups. Lots of losers come from good families. There are also lots of crappy parents who have successful kids.

The environment (world) a kid grows up in is a bigger indicator of how they will turn out than the values of their parents. If they grow up low class and broke surrounded by crime, violence and drugs they will likely stay that way as adults, regardless of how "sensible" the parents are.
 

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For guys like me, there is little to no upside to getting married because I have too much to lose. Not to toot my own horn, but I have a lot of assets and I'm set to inherit a lot. Ideally yeah I'd like to have a child and a wife that won't take half my ****, but that's easier said than done. There are too many gold diggers out there that will take you to the cleaners.

One of my good friends that I work with got wiped out by his ex wife. He spent at least 20k just in legal fees for the divorce. Then, she got a good amount of money from him.
 

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How many women are willing to die for their husbands, friends, country, or comrades in arms? Damn few, if any. Yet it is commonly expected of men (made compulsory under certain circumstances).
Men's lives are cheap. "The savages killed even women and children".

A startling fact I found out recently was that on the sinking Titanic, overall survival rate of adult male was 20% - compared to the survival rate of females, which was 75%. Even 3rd class female survival rate (46%) was significantly higher than 1st class male survival rate (33%).

Men are expected to die off when the need comes.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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One of them is still dealing with the settlement. Divorce was
granted and signed by both parties almost 2 years ago.
 

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TLDFR

gooberment is the problem...

Get married, get a gang of ass hats fukking you, too.

Uless you like gay clusterfukk gangbangs, avoid 'legal' marriage.
 
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