The Grey

[MaudGrimes]

I've just finished watching a film called The Grey; it has Liam Neeson stranded in the Arctic after a plane crash with a handful of survivors. These survivors proceed to get picked off by wolves as our Liam tries to lead them to safety. Much drama and violence insues. The film itself is pretty good - if you've ever wanted to see a grizzled Irishman punch a wolf in the face then this is the film for you.

The script of the film, and one of it's key themes, seems to support atheism. Neeson's character has already been through some though times already before his run in with White Fang and his buddies and things generally don't get much better for him. He states that he does not believe in God and when he finally reaches a point when he feels he cannot continue he finally looks to the heavens and challenges God to help him - not later, but now. If God shows some sort of sign then he'll believe in him till the day he dies.

God doesn't feel like sending down any wolf simiting lightening bolts/rescue helicopters etc, so Neeson pulls himself together, stops his crying and with a steeled look and gravel in his voice declares:

"Fine. I'll do it myself then".

I won't give away the end of the film but it is ambiguous...at the very least you know that wolfy and some his mates have had the smack laid to them. And I'll never look at alcoholic miniatures again the same way either.

You should watch the film to appreciate it, but the lesson that can be learned from this is that nobody is going to save you from the situation in which you need the most help.

If you want to change this dire circumstance that you're in (and I'm guessing one or two of you reading this feel you are in such a situation) then you have to man up, tape a mini bottle of Jack to your fist and punch your problems in the gullet (metaphorically speaking). You can get advice on how to do it from other members of this site, but nobody is going to come swinging in and rescue you. Next time I feel like the world owes me a favour I'll remember old Liam and how God turned his back on him...Liam didn't mope, he got off his ass and took action. That's what I'm going to do.

 

[Purefilth]

lol - good film, nice analogy

 

[Fatal Jay]

If you don't believe in God your an idiot, and im not going back and forth with an atheist either, for someone who doesn't believe, atheist are the main ones trying to convince people there is no God, retarded.

If you an atheist then live your life since your going to be dead with no afterlife anyway, stop being concern about what others believe in, your wasting your time.

Enough with my rant though, you are right about your point about no one helping you till you help yourself though.

 

[SharinganUser]

If you don't believe in God your an idiot, and im not going back and forth with an atheist either, for someone who doesn't believe, atheist are the main ones trying to convince people there is no God, retarded.

If you an atheist then live your life since your going to be dead with no afterlife anyway, stop being concern about what others believe in, your wasting your time.

Enough with my rant though, you are right about your point about no one helping you till you help yourself though.

We'd love to just live our lives but until religious zealots like you decide to keep your ignorant pie eaters shut we can't do that.

atheist are the main ones trying to convince people there is no God, retarded.

That's a great observation. Next you'll be telling me the sky is blue and that things fall when you drop them.

If you don't believe in God your an idiot, and im not going back and forth with an atheist either,

You sure are arrogant for someone who types like they are functionally brain-dead. Maybe you should ask your invisible friend to help you spellcheck.

 

[Fatal Jay]

when your facing my invisible friend in your afterlife, your logic is going to resemble the tard I just dropped from eating macdonalds tonight or your life.

 

[SharinganUser]

when your facing my invisible friend in your afterlife, your logic is going to resemble the tard I just dropped from eating macdonalds tonight.

Thinly veiled threats, how very Christian of you. I'll gladly tell your invisible friend to go fvck himself. Not that I have to because he doesn't exist.

 

[Fatal Jay]

lol@ how Christian of me like you know, kill yourself now and do everyone a favor f@cking smut monkey.

 

[BMX]

Sick film. Enjoyed it all the way through.

 

[zinc4]

I've just finished watching a film called The Grey; it has Liam Neeson stranded in the Arctic after a plane crash with a handful of survivors. These survivors proceed to get picked off by wolves as our Liam tries to lead them to safety. Much drama and violence insues. The film itself is pretty good - if you've ever wanted to see a grizzled Irishman punch a wolf in the face then this is the film for you.

The script of the film, and one of it's key themes, seems to support atheism. Neeson's character has already been through some though times already before his run in with White Fang and his buddies and things generally don't get much better for him. He states that he does not believe in God and when he finally reaches a point when he feels he cannot continue he finally looks to the heavens and challenges God to help him - not later, but now. If God shows some sort of sign then he'll believe in him till the day he dies.

God doesn't feel like sending down any wolf simiting lightening bolts/rescue helicopters etc, so Neeson pulls himself together, stops his crying and with a steeled look and gravel in his voice declares:

"Fine. I'll do it myself then".

I won't give away the end of the film but it is ambiguous...at the very least you know that wolfy and some his mates have had the smack laid to them. And I'll never look at alcoholic miniatures again the same way either.

You should watch the film to appreciate it, but the lesson that can be learned from this is that nobody is going to save you from the situation in which you need the most help.

If you want to change this dire circumstance that you're in (and I'm guessing one or two of you reading this feel you are in such a situation) then you have to man up, tape a mini bottle of Jack to your fist and punch your problems in the gullet (metaphorically speaking). You can get advice on how to do it from other members of this site, but nobody is going to come swinging in and rescue you. Next time I feel like the world owes me a favour I'll remember old Liam and how God turned his back on him...Liam didn't mope, he got off his ass and took action. That's what I'm going to do.

It annoys me when people think there is no God or higher power just because something seemingly horrible happened to them...life is one big recycling center...seemingly horrible and great things happen....God or whatever higher powers could actually be helping you by taking you away from earth and to the much superior spiritual realm...people are so small minded on this subject...with that being said...i have seen this movie and like it.....you could also argue that God was helping him by sending back to his wife who passed. I don't think the movie was necessarily supporting atheism.

Also, i am not saying you are stupid if you are an atheist, that is your business...everyone has to find their own path.... just that i think it's stupid to use seemingly bad events as proof that there is no higher power. It would be like a kindergartner saying his teacher is bad because the teacher made him do some homework or writing practice.

 

[SharinganUser]

It annoys me when people think there is no God or higher power just because something seemingly horrible happened to them...life is one big recycling center...seemingly horrible and great things happen....God or whatever higher powers could actually be helping you by taking you away from earth and to the much superior spiritual realm...people are so small minded on this subject...with that being said...i have seen this movie and like it.....you could also argue that God was helping him by sending back to his wife who passed. I don't think the movie was necessarily supporting atheism.

Also, i am not saying you are stupid if you are an atheist, that is your business...everyone has to find their own path.... just that i think it's stupid to use seemingly bad events as proof that there is no higher power. It would be like a kindergartner saying his teacher is bad because the teacher made him do some homework or writing practice.

Nonsense. What kind of person would sit back and do nothing as they saw people get killed, raped, tortured, molestation, suffer disease, starvation, and many other of the atrocities that happen every day? I would not call that a loving person, and I think God should be held to the same standard.

Since you would argue that God is helping him by taking him to a superior spiritual realm, then what was the point of him creating this realm? Again it boils down to either incompetence or cruelty.

If God wanted Liam's character to be with his wife, then he shouldn't have taken his wife. It is either incompetent or cruel to kill his wife and then to say later, after he's(Liam) suffered to say "Oh they should be together now."

Hitchens says it best at the 5:48 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQorzOS-F6w

 

[zinc4]

Nonsense. What kind of person would sit back and do nothing as they saw people get killed, raped, tortured, molestation, suffer disease, starvation, and many other of the atrocities that happen every day? I would not call that a loving person, and I think God should be held to the same standard.

Since you would argue that God is helping him by taking him to a superior spiritual realm, then what was the point of him creating this realm? Again it boils down to either incompetence or cruelty.

If God wanted Liam's character to be with his wife, then he shouldn't have taken his wife. It is either incompetent or cruel to kill his wife and then to say later, after he's(Liam) suffered to say "Oh they should be together now."

Hitchens says it best at the 5:48 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQorzOS-F6w

Well, this is my belief, but..

The problem here is that you are thinking as a human and from a human's limited perspective.

The point of creating this realm is send spirits to a place where they can actually experience suffering and pain to teach them real compassion...if you view real life like a big dream and the afterlife as reality like what it really is then you would see that it's not cruel at all...

You think being raped, molested or/and killed is so horrible...it is to our current perspectives...but it isn't in the grand scheme of things.....and it is necessary to advance yourself and pay back for kharmic dues that you owe from previous lives as well...

I view life as like a play that we all have to endure or get to endure....and there are many lives to advance your spirit or soul for its final destination...each life is merely a test...the spirit world is much different than the physical plane of existence...much better in so many ways..

Not sure about one single god...but there is definitely a higher force/forces at work...

The Bible and other religious documents don't tell it exactly like it is...but their purpose is all the same...to connect people and get them more in tune with higher powers by telling stories that ordinary people can relate to...although many use them for evil/selfish purposes or even starting wars...but the underlying message is always the same..compassion and helping others while disregarding self...but hardly any of the followers really follow these basic principles while also using it to judge others...

I would say out of all the religions, Buddhism is by far the closest to the actual truth..


Anyways...i just think it's very small minded to say there is no god or higher power because bad stuff/pain occurs here in the physical world...

 

[PapiChulo]

The movie has an open end and its debetable wethere the character actully survives. He did put out a good a fight though in contrast to other who simply gave up. I personally prefer the story of Aron Ralston who cut his hand off with a pocket knife once trapped under a huge boulder.

 

[SharinganUser]

Well, this is my belief, but..

The problem here is that you are thinking as a human and from a human's limited perspective.

The point of creating this realm is send spirits to a place where they can actually experience suffering and pain to teach them real compassion...if you view real life like a big dream and the afterlife as reality like what it really is then you would see that it's not cruel at all...

You think being raped, molested or/and killed is so horrible...it is to our current perspectives...but it isn't in the grand scheme of things.....and it is necessary to advance yourself and pay back for kharmic dues that you owe from previous lives as well...

I view life as like a play that we all have to endure or get to endure....and there are many lives to advance your spirit or soul for its final destination...each life is merely a test...the spirit world is much different than the physical plane of existence...much better in so many ways..

Not sure about one single god...but there is definitely a higher force/forces at work...

The Bible and other religious documents don't tell it exactly like it is...but their purpose is all the same...to connect people and get them more in tune with higher powers by telling stories that ordinary people can relate to...although many use them for evil/selfish purposes or even starting wars...but the underlying message is always the same..compassion and helping others while disregarding self...but hardly any of the followers really follow these basic principles while also using it to judge others...

I would say out of all the religions, Buddhism is by far the closest to the actual truth..


Anyways...i just think it's very small minded to say there is no god or higher power because bad stuff/pain occurs here in the physical world...

Your last sentence grossly simplifies the reasons why people do not believe in god(s). The main reason many Atheists do not believe in any deity is because there is absolutely no evidence to support the existence of any higher power.

It just boggles my mind that you can think rape, murder, torture, ect... are ethical in any context.

There are little girls, as young as 2 or 3 years old, in Cambodia who get locked up, battered and raped by pedophiles every day. The Buddhist monks you revere so much do nothing and will continue to do nothing because they believe that those pedophiles are doing Buddha's work to insure that those innocent children are paying their karmic debt. How can you seriously see this as anything other than the most heinous cruelty?

Could you really look a parent in the eye and tell them that their 3yr old child deserves to get raped? It's reprehensible.

If you have the power to intervene and stop people from suffering then you have a moral obligation to do so. This is something a human being can figure out, but your god sits idly by everyday for 10's of thousands of years while billions have suffered. And you can sit there and say that's justified?

 

[GotED?]

It is interesting watching a bunch of children in adult-suits here pissing out testosterone at each other.

This is the reason why the world is never in peace - it starts here, you people lack RESPECT for other people's beliefs. This is the fundamental cause of war and turmoil between countries.

Start with yourself and RESPECT each other's belief and thinking, even you disagree strongly with it.

The more you act egotistical and put off one another, the more primate like you become backwards into the world of Planet of the Apes.

With respect,

Exodus

 

[Purefilth]

It is interesting watching a bunch of children in adult-suits here pissing out oestrogen at each other.

Exodus

there i fixed it for you.

 

[SharinganUser]

It is interesting watching a bunch of children in adult-suits here pissing out testosterone at each other.

This is the reason why the world is never in peace - it starts here, you people lack RESPECT for other people's beliefs. This is the fundamental cause of war and turmoil between countries.

Start with yourself and RESPECT each other's belief and thinking, even you disagree strongly with it.

The more you act egotistical and put off one another, the more primate like you become backwards into the world of Planet of the Apes.

With respect,

Exodus

Sorry but some people's beliefs are objectively immoral and do not deserve respect.

 

[zinc4]

Your last sentence grossly simplifies the reasons why people do not believe in god(s). The main reason many Atheists do not believe in any deity is because there is absolutely no evidence to support the existence of any higher power.

It just boggles my mind that you can think rape, murder, torture, ect... are ethical in any context.

There are little girls, as young as 2 or 3 years old, in Cambodia who get locked up, battered and raped by pedophiles every day. The Buddhist monks you revere so much do nothing and will continue to do nothing because they believe that those pedophiles are doing Buddha's work to insure that those innocent children are paying their karmic debt. How can you seriously see this as anything other than the most heinous cruelty?

Could you really look a parent in the eye and tell them that their 3yr old child deserves to get raped? It's reprehensible.

If you have the power to intervene and stop people from suffering then you have a moral obligation to do so. This is something a human being can figure out, but your god sits idly by everyday for 10's of thousands of years while billions have suffered. And you can sit there and say that's justified?

Like I said, you are coming from the perspective that this life is the be all end all and that is why it is so horrible to you...the truth is, being born is more traumatic than dying, but very few people have the capabillity of remembering that. Those children all lived last lives like you and me and will live many more lives....and when they die, they experience bliss until time to go back. This has nothing to do with ethical, just the natural process of things.

If you want proof of a higher force its in yourself if you search deep enough. Looking elsewhere is pointless. It's actually a very personal thing to experience.

 

[SharinganUser]

Like I said, you are coming from the perspective that this life is the be all end all and that is why it is so horrible to you...the truth is, being born is more traumatic than dying, but very few people have the capabillity of remembering that. Those children all lived last lives like you and me and will live many more lives....and when they die, they experience bliss until time to go back. This has nothing to do with ethical, just the natural process of things.

If you want proof of a higher force its in yourself if you search deep enough. Looking elsewhere is pointless. It's actually a very personal thing to experience.

How many lives we have is completely irrelevant to the fact that torturing people is ALWAYS wrong. Letting people be tortured is ALWAYS wrong. Even if we do have many lives, that does NOT excuse your higher power from letting people suffer and it certainly does not lessen the horror of suffering through said experiences.

You are a hypocrite for talking about compassion and then suggesting that the atrocities that go on in the world aren't as bad as they seem. True compassion requires intervention. Doing nothing and then telling the victim that it was their "due" and that'll get a better life next time is far from compassion. It is disgusting and vile.

What you are saying is utter nonsense and you should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating such an insidious belief.

Meditating is not a valid way to find proof, and even if it were I would not acknowledge a higher power as immoral as the one you have put forth.

 

[Cremasta]

It is always interesting to read a frank exchange of ideas, but what I think you ALL need to remember here is...

This is an absolutely SH!T date movie and will NOT get you laid.

 

[ScottMustaine]

I was fvcking my own head since I was 5 years old about God and the world.

How was world made, what is it's own purpose etc ?

I concluded as an 9 year old that none of us know that question. We enter the PARADOX.


But when I've hit 15 year old mark I concluded one thing.

Maybe God as in Christian/Islamic way does not exist.

But there must be some higher being than myself.

Thus as I am lower being , I can not think as a higher being, thus I enter into the Paradox.




Just wanted to share my own thoughts about that.




P.S. 1

Pain, death, and torture is necessary. If it weren't for it. There would be no development. Even when I'm fcked up, no matter how much it seems to be masochistic, I like it, because I know I will hit the threshold, and then become better.


P.S.2 In order to build something new. Old must be destroyed. Everything that is not necessary ought to be demolished.

P.S.3 " Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. " I picked this from Naruto Shippuden. Anime's may 'look' that they are for kids. But God damn it. Their philosophy is so ****ING DEEP.