"The Game" and doing nice things?

[hansol]

Hi guys,

The plates I've had around me the last few months have really got me thinking about interest level and how your actions affect it. Specifically, how there are a few things that I do for various reasons (consciously or not) and with or without expectation may actually somehow "hurt" my game. And unfortunately I can't quite figure out which path to walk.

For instance: One plate I'm seeing has had her interest level drop off a bit from where it originally was. (Ironically, so has mine, but that's for another day.) Anyway, the other day we were out for dinner, and on our way to the restaurant we had to cross the parking lot. It's icey and snowy up where I am, so I unconsciously offered my arm to her, which she took. Not a big deal right?

But here's the thing. When I thought about it after, here you have a scenario where a chick isn't head-over-heels for a guy, and the guy is doing what could be considered a "nice guy/afc/white knight" act. From a game perspective, that would be a step back and you could possibly lose face in her eyes.

On the other hand, this is just something I "do" unconsciously when it's crap weather with any woman I'm with: sister, elderly aunt, friend's gf, date, whomever. There is no "expectation" behind it, no thinking "oh, if I do this, I'm gonna get some action." It's just something that I do. And that is aside from the fact that from a practical perspective, a chick wiping out in front of you and breaking her tailbone after slipping on some ice is a sure-fire way to guarantee you won't be getting laid that night.

So I guess that's my question. Is there a "line" with regards to considerate actions that you can't cross when you are gaming a chick due to the fact that she may interpret it as you being a chump? Or is this something you can temper with other actions and by essentially running solid game?

 

[backbreaker]

My line of thinking on this is, always has been and always will be, that if a woman is honestly, turned off by the fact that you have a tad bit of manners/chivalry in you, than honestly the ***** can go. I am not going to make one morsel of an effort to get her back, she's weeding herself out.

DJ doesn't mean jerk; it doesn't mean push over.

I mean, think of it like this. I go to the store all the time and if there is a woman behind me, I will always open the door for them i dont' care who it is. If I see an eldery person trying to put **** in their car i will offer to help. my son will do the same ****. It's just the sign of a good upbringing. why should i treat a woman who I am on a date with and differently than that? if i did do such, i would kinda be like a backwards ass way of putting her o a pedistool of that makes any sense.. like i'm going out of my way to be a jerk. I'm not a jerk.

in fact, it usually reels them in because it's a direct contradiction to my normal demeanor in regards to women i'm dating thus it makes them harder to get a read on me. I'll avoid a woman's call all night long beucase i'm with another broad but i pick her up and we are on a date and i'm holding her arm and i'm opening doors ***** doesn't know what think lol. he's nice, but he's an *******,. i want to slap him and **** him lol.

to me this is micro analyzing. If it's what you do do what you do. if the girl doesn't' dig it **** it lol. i mean **** what else can you do.

 

[zekko]

My line of thinking on this is, always has been and always will be, that if a woman is honestly, turned off by the fact that you have a tad bit of manners/chivalry in you, than honestly the ***** can go. I am not going to make one morsel of an effort to get her back, she's weeding herself out.

Cosign on this, and on the rest of the post.

If it's what you do do what you do. if the girl doesn't' dig it **** it lol. i mean **** what else can you do.

Right. They talk about indifference on here a lot, and this is the real value of it. This is the attitude you should have. It's not that you can't care about a girl, but you're not going to compromise yourself for her. A lot of this DJ stuff just comes down to self respect.

 

[muscleman]

You're fine. Think, but don't overthink. If it's crappy weather of course offer your arm, there's nothing beta about it. You'll know when you're chasing a girl and when she's chasing you; after a while it will be obvious. You want the latter. The rest doesn't really matter.

 

[Fatal Jay]

for the record,and this doesnt have nothing to do with this topic

but neil strauss the game is bull****

 

[muscleman]

^ Actually that book was (is) a great read, highly entertaining. It's not meant to teach much, but rather act as a general eye opener and make you want to explore other sources. Also, at the time it was written, when speed seduction, double your dating, and so on were just making the rounds, there wasn't nearly as much awareness of game as there is now, so it was highly applicable. That book was what made me take the red pill to begin with.

 

[backbreaker]

I actually very much enjoyed reading the game. but i thought the ending was bull **** and generally goes against everything we teach here. the ***** wasn't even that special she was just agt teh right place at the right time and he got "tired of all the games".

the reaosn i didn't like the end is beucase he couldn't find a middle ground. like the only 2 2ways you can possibly live is to live in a huge bachelor pad and **** girls all day long or be in a single committed relationship. it's not good form and pants the image of males like that that women want to see painted

 

[Fatal Jay]

tariq nasheed the art of macking over the game anyday

tariq pretty much started the pua stuff before it was called pua

 

[Bokanovsky]

tariq nasheed the art of macking over the game anyday

tariq pretty much started the pua stuff before it was called pua

Saddam Hussein's book is pretty good too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabibah_and_the_King