"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The FRIENDZONE is a MYTH

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Yes, that's exactly what I said.

After spending the week questioning about 10 of my male friends, I assert that there is no less chance of entering into a romantic relationship with a girl who is your friend than there is with any girl you just met.

It just seems that way because we tend to get fixated on ones that are already our friends, if we develop feelings.

And, on the contrary, in many cases, it was easier to develop rapport and trust, AND passion with woman they'd been involved with as friends. It is actually EASIER to ignite passion with a friend then with a stranger!

If a man is just "looking to hook-up" then the Friendzone is no place to look... But the only real risk in querying a friend - is the risk.

And Fvck it! NOTHING GROWS WITHOUT RISK!

That whole "Things will have changed between us" line is complete BS and only valid if you act like a complete lame loser afterward and think you can make her feel sorry into liking you... Otherwise, be man, tell her it's "awesome, and you're not sorry you approached her." Laugh it off and tell her, "It's too bad I make a better lover than a friend."

That line worked for me... and a month later she and I are dating.

Hell, you might actually get an awesome girl you can hang with and have sex with out of it! Risk it!
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I.A.F.Y.B.

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I've turned friends to friends with benefits. They weren't long time friends. When, I was in high school I was a pot head. So, I would meet chicks who also smoked. What turned into smoking buddys turned into fvck buddies.

Some of you may think its cause I had weed and they only fvcked me for weed. But, thats not the case. They would smoke me out! So, I got pvssy and free weed!! :crackup:
 

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I think there's a difference between Friendzone and Friends. Friendzone is a word that inherently has negative connotations.

The point of the Friendzone is that you've already shown her your intentions and been shot down. Alternatively, you like her but have failed to show her this during your window of opportunity. In any case, you've turned her off completely from the idea of ever going anywhere with you.

If you are a friends with a girl you feel nothing for, that really isn't the same as being put into the Friendzone.

I think the point is,
you want her = friendzone
you don't give a **** = friends.

And yes, girls sometimes do develop attraction for their friends, but you're a moron if you want to waste your time chasing after them.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Furyguy said:
And yes, girls sometimes do develop attraction for their friends, but you're a moron if you want to waste your time chasing after them.
I think that's true of ANY woman.

No chasing ... but if feelings come up, it's completely lame to not 'grab the bull by the horns'. :)
 

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yea dude i got ljbf'd by a lot of hoes and still ended up f-closing them. just because she says or feels that it would never go further than friends doesn't mean it will stay that way. a girls mind is like the weather.
 

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Furyguy said:
I think there's a difference between Friendzone and Friends. Friendzone is a word that inherently has negative connotations.

The point of the Friendzone is that you've already shown her your intentions and been shot down. Alternatively, you like her but have failed to show her this during your window of opportunity. In any case, you've turned her off completely from the idea of ever going anywhere with you.

If you are a friends with a girl you feel nothing for, that really isn't the same as being put into the Friendzone.

I think the point is,
you want her = friendzone
you don't give a **** = friends.

And yes, girls sometimes do develop attraction for their friends, but you're a moron if you want to waste your time chasing after them.
Great response.

Two totally different things.

For a real life example :

I am friends with my friend's sister. She wants to bone me (unfortunately). Yes, I would like to bone her. Have I made an desperate attempts to and been shutdown? Hell no. All she is is a piece of ass to me and that isn't hard to come by.

Now, let's say I was friends with a gal and I made an effort at friendship in hopes of getting her into the sack. NOW I have successfully moved into the Friendzone.

It's all in how your mind frames the situation and how you go about it. Remember, the one who wants more is always the most open to being hurt. This is why the one who wants less will most often make the other a friend.
 

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Furyguy said:
I think there's a difference between Friendzone and Friends. Friendzone is a word that inherently has negative connotations.

The point of the Friendzone is that you've already shown her your intentions and been shot down. Alternatively, you like her but have failed to show her this during your window of opportunity. In any case, you've turned her off completely from the idea of ever going anywhere with you.

If you are a friends with a girl you feel nothing for, that really isn't the same as being put into the Friendzone.

I think the point is,
you want her = friendzone
you don't give a **** = friends.


And yes, girls sometimes do develop attraction for their friends, but you're a moron if you want to waste your time chasing after them.
The prize/high value mentality. Be high value and they'll be attracted to you but chase them and make them the prize and they'll get turned off.

Even if you are friendzoned you can break out of it over time.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I can't remember where I heard this, but "women are not your friends, they are the enemy, that's why we want to **** them". Many a true word said in jest.....
 
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