"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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the friend zone is NOT a bad thing

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and let me tell you why

so last week I go out with one of my boys and some of his female friends.

I dont really know what happened, maybe I wasnt on my game, maybe it is just a random happening dealing with the moon phases, but these girls werent digging me. FRIENDZONE. shucks.

BUT

I went against my own usual advice (which is say **** it and ditch them), exchanged numbers with them, and continued the friendship. theyre fun, good looking, so why not just have some fun with them. so I cant bang them. I still call social proof.

anyway, last night, they invite me out and you know what? they bring another one, just like them, hot, intelligent, rich. and you know what? we hit it off. major.

so, in conclusion, I would like to say not to discount the value of girls that friendzone you. just because you cant checkmate the next move doesnt mean that moving a few pieces around is worthless.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Jariel

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I agree completely. I've always believed in having a group of female friends. Not only can they introduce you to their friends and help increase your social circles, but there's a lot you can learn from them.
 

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Great post. They don't always have to be pretty either. They can be average or even ugly and still have a hot sister, cousin, or friend. Sometimes it's even a friend of a friend that's hot but you're already better than off than a cold approach because she already knows your friends.
 

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Indeed, the friendzone can be used as a potent tool for meeting other women. Don't tell an AFC that, though, because they'll f*ck it up and start trying to bang their female friends.

You need at least 2 degrees of "friend separation" from anyone you want to bang!
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Gray The Prince

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The title of this thread should have an aterisk to it.

The Friend Zone is NOT a bad thing*


*= Does not apply to AFCs.

Other than that, I agree completely.
 

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The difference is, you're making the girl a REAL friend and just utilizing her as a networking opportunity.

A lot of these dudes on here will call a girl a friend, but really want to bang her, and spend months/years of his life focusing on one chick.

I have chick friends that I hang with. They're not as cool/funny as my guy friends, but few girls are.
 

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Oi. That's not the "friendzone" that's associates. The friendzone is when you keep trying hard to be a girls friend to get in her pants and you pine away from put up with major bull****. Having female associates is called being normal. You use them for pivots, social proof, enjoying their company and hanging out just like any other friend. The reason most AFCs are advised not to do even that is because they have poor emotional control. They can't be around a girl on a regular basis without putting her in the number 1 spot in their wee little hearts.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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If you're just using them, they're not friends.

Useful, but not friends.
 

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Great post man. I have a few pretty good looking female friends I met in highschool and college. Tried hitting it off with a few and it didn't work out so well, but I also met other girls through them and also expanded my social circle. If they're fun to be around don't disregard them based on just being a woman!
 

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I think theres nothing wrong with being friends with females, its just once you develop 'feelings' for the particular female and they just want to be friends. Then i'd assume that would be friendzone, so i supose there is a fine line between the two :/
 

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Warrior74 said:
Oi. That's not the "friendzone" that's associates. The friendzone is when you keep trying hard to be a girls friend to get in her pants and you pine away from put up with major bull****.

+.....1.....REP.


This is EXACTLY RIGHT.



The OP will have to forgive me because my background concerning dating was friendzone.....EXCLUSIVELY. Friendzone,friendzone,friendzone.



When I woke up,friendzone,when I laid down to rest,friendzone. If I just looked at a girl,friendzone. If the mere thought of approaching her crossed my mind,friendzone.




I was the CEO of LJBF.inc,the MAYOR of "LET'S JUST BE FRIENDSVILLE",usa.


It happened so much,that I would actually get to a point with a girl that I could "sense it" starting to happen,but because I was ignornant,I had no idea how to stop or prevent it.




To this day still tremble in fear when I think about the past,lol.




My thing is,I DON'T LIKE being FORCED to be a girl's so-called "friend" against my will. It's like I'm not her friend because I choose to be,it's because SHE DECIDED.



I'm down with a mutual friendship,but I don't like having to be friends because of an option taken away. While the idea of using a girl who friendzones you to meet other girls may be a good one,it never helped me out. You know what would happen?



This......


I'd meet a girl,she'd friendzone me,suggest that I'd be "perfect" for one of her other friends,introduce us.....then the friend would friendzone me.



Then the girl who I got pawned off on who LJBF'ed me would suggest I meet one of her friends. We'd meet up,a little time would pass by,then bam....she'd friendzone me. Then she'd mention this "wonderful friend" of hers I might like,then the cycle would continue.




I'd look back and see 10 different girls,who ALL friendzoned me,9 of which who "passed me" on to their friend.



I'm just glad I FINALLY figured out why I kept getting the friend card and no longer have to deal with that nonsense.




So if you can meet and DATE a girl you met by way of some chick who friendzoned you,then cool,but given my history?


I think I'll pass.
 

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SamTheHobit said:
I think theres nothing wrong with being friends with females, its just once you develop 'feelings' for the particular female and they just want to be friends. Then i'd assume that would be friendzone, so i supose there is a fine line between the two :/
I've done this, but then after I just understood that there was no "chemistry" for the girl so I said to myself "whatever, this girl's cool anyways I don't mind being just friends with her".. Don't get me wrong though, there are some girls that are just sort of a drag to be around so I don't bother in that case.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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PapiChulo

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Its called being social and building a network. Both of which are bullsh!t terms anyway. In most cases people simply end up looking like a tool or a gay friend who hangs with the chicks. You better bring something to the table or be simply like them i.e. rich, hot, and fun or they will figure out that in fact you are trying to use them.
Nevertheless, thats how couples are made in many cases -through mutual friends.

On the side note, if is something goes wrong you are probably out of that circle real quick.
 

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I'm going to quote myself:

" "friend zone" and LJBF refers to when a woman isn't straight-up with you and throws out the whole "I like you as a friend" thing. It's not real friendship. It's them tolerating your presence while being completely unattracted to you. Being friends is fine. That's a different thing. We just use the term "friend zone" because that's how lots of people perceive it -- as a friendship when really it's a low-impact way to push you aside. Very different things. "

We don't mean friendship when we refer to the friend zone. We mean when she throws out the "oh yeah we'll be friends, right?" thing and it's obviously a complete cop-out. If she's inviting you places you aren't in the friend zone at all -- you just have a friend who happens to be a girl. Cool.
 

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They tolerate you until a certain point only... And get rid of you once you don't kiss their asss and posess no useful skills or material assets. Most normal women realize the fake in this situation and don't allow it. I could even go as far as saying that they actually hold you for an idiot....Doesn't sound like friendship, doesn't it?
 

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If women friend zone you then fvck them. Don't even waste your time spitting on them because they're not worth the time. Friend zone means she's not attracted to you and doesn't want to fvck you. The only thing women have to offer is sex, so a woman who won't give you sex is a waste of time.

Women don't have penises like guys do. We tend to think with our d!cks so we go for whatever makes our d!ck hard. It doesn't matter as much if a guy's friends find a girl attractive or not. If the girl makes the guy's d!ck hard he'll go for it.

Without the benefit of a penis to lead them, however, women tend to follow what other women are attracted to. This means that if some girl friend zoned you, then her friends will also not be attracted to you. They think like sheep.

So next time a woman friend zones you, cut her off and move on to new pvssy elsewhere.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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