The "Five Moves" a woman will make when approached by a man

[Dongfu]

The five moves have been amended according to the responses that offered "useful" incite.

This is not in tips because it is an evolving list. Feel free to add to it.

When you approach a woman and attempt to engage her in conversation, she will typically make one of five moves, and they are predictable. The great thing about predictability is that you can plan for it. All you need to know is the Five Moves, and the Five Counter Moves and you are comfortable.

The Five Moves:

1. Decides that she is interested.
2. Politely ignores you or walks away from you.
3. Remains silent.
4. Answers your question or asks you a question in return.
5. Makes an excuse for not talking to you.

When you have your moves planned in advance, you know exactly what you will do when the woman makes any one of the “five moves” above.

After you greet her with a “Hi” or “Hello,” and position yourself correctly, ask her your opening question. She will respond with one of the following:

1. Decides that she wants you: This may be indicated by taking your arm into hers, jumping on your lap, or another IOI that may be more subtle. This is a good move. Ring it up.

Amended comments - This is not that uncommon. I see in the first series of responses that some have experienced this, while others have not. The point is, "it does happen." Spend enough time in the field and you will see it happen if it doesn't happen to you.


2. Politely ignores you or walks away from you: There are several reasons why she might answer your question and politely brush you off or move away from you. If she starts to walk away, just shut up, observe and mirror. She may not be ready to talk to you yet. Don’t try to talk her into staying. Unwelcomed words create negative pressure. Let the silence work for you. Back off and stay mentally connected. Don’t give up and walk away, and definitely do not chase after her. Women who are chased, run! Just remain connected and wait for a time to re-approach.

Relevant comment posted by StevenR

"A woman can answer your question even if she is not at all interested, but it will be a somewhat terse answer then she will make herself busy. Like if I say something about the weather she will agree and maybe even be polite for a moment then "get back to what she was doing" or walk away after briefly talking to me, but after briefly talking to me/answering my question she will not leave much room for me to say more and may walk away or do other things."[/I]

3. She remains silent: You may not have positioned right for her to hear you. She may also be drunk, and is still trying to process what you said, or she is scanning you for congruence. The silent pressure is on. She wonders: “Should I or shouldn’t I?” You wonder, “Will I close her?” The silent pressure is intensified. Nobody is talking. Decisions are being made.

Remain quiet and keep looking her in the eyes. Wait for as many seconds as it takes for her to respond. These seconds are called “KABOOMS.”

A “KABOOM” is the feeling of your heart beating in your chest when you are dying to talk. Or it could be something beating in your pants.

If at any time she walks away, step back and shut up. If she asks you a question answer it and shut up. It’s easy. Follow the system

4. She answers your question or asks you one in return: When you shut up, you give women an opportunity to respond to your question. If you are asked a question in return, answer it, then shut up, observe, and mirror. If she answers your question, it is your turn again. Now you can say something else.

5. She makes an excuse for not talking to you: When she gives you an excuse like “I have a boyfriend,” you must be prepared.
You cannot stop and think about what you should say next; you have to know what you will say. You must be prepared for excuses, and ready to overcome them.

Learning how to overcome excuses is critical to making pro-active, no-pressure pick-up easy.

Feel free to add any other moves a woman could make. Please try list only moves that are not just a variation of the above mentioned.

 

[DonGorgon]

LOL...silly

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Tips Forum??????

 

[mutambo]

so random .. lol
i think you need to be more specific

 

[Wodan]

Wish people with no clue would stop posting advice threads, makes decent ones hard to find and lowers the standard of this site.

 

[DonGorgon]

^^true...LOL

 

[Obsidian]

Well, I like the part about staying put but not chasing. Hormongers who are starved for sex sometimes feel like being overly aggressive will help them in the long run (sometimes it does lead to sex), but I think it's too degrading to be worth it.

But if a girl tells me she has a boyfriend, I usually just assume that she is telling the truth and back off.

 

[StevenR]

1. Decides that she wants you: This may be indicated by kissing you, taking your arm into hers, jumping on your lap, etc. This is a good move. Ring it up.

really? don't recall this happening to me unless I was out on a date with them already

2. She walks away from you: If she starts to walk away, just shut up, observe and mirror. She may not be ready to talk to you yet. Don’t try to talk her into staying. Unwelcomed words create negative pressure. Let the silence work for you. Back off and stay mentally connected. Don’t give up and walk away, and definitely do not chase after her. Women who are chased, run! Just remain connected and wait for a time to re-approach.

I would consider this very rude, I don't think I have ever had this happend to me either, and I certainly would not continue to pursue such a bvtch who did that to me

3. She silently continues to look at you: This could either be because she is drunk, and is still trying to process what you said, or she is scanning you for congruence. The silent pressure is on. She wonders: “Should I or shouldn’t I?” You wonder, “Will I close her?” The silent pressure is intensified. Nobody is talking. Decisions are being made.

Remain quiet and keep looking her in the eyes. Wait for as many seconds as it takes for her to respond. These seconds are called “KABOOMS.”

are we talking split seconds here, this is an odd one too. Don't recall ever having a chick just staring at me after saying something to her

4. She answers your question or asks you one in return: When you shut up, you give women an opportunity to respond to your question. If you are asked a question in return, answer it, then shut up, observe, and mirror. If she answers your question, it is your turn again. Now you can say something else.

This one is the typical response, but doesn't mean anything other then she is being polite and friendly like a normal human would act

5. She makes an excuse for not talking to you: When she gives you an excuse like “I have a boyfriend,” you must be prepared.
You cannot stop and think about what you should say next; you have to know what you will say. You must be prepared for excuses, and ready to overcome them.

This is the usual rejection, but in my experience she will be talking with me as in #3 and we would be carrying on a conversation but somewhere in the convo she would include the world "boyfriend" "my boyfriend this, my boyfriend that blah blah", and I take it as a hint she is not interested and move on.

I don't think I have ever had a woman totally ignore me or just walk away like that, and it would be quite shocking to me if that happened(maybe I just don't PU enough and it would eventually if I did it all the time). I could be wrong, but a woman can answer your question even if she is not at all interested, but it will be a somewhat terse answer then she will make herself busy. Like if I say something about the weather she will agree and maybe even be polite for a moment then "get back to what she was doing" or walk away after briefly talking to me, but after briefly talking to me/answering my question she will not leave much room for me to say more and may walk away or do other things. But she won't just walk away, perhaps I am being too nice and should say something sexual to get her either to put out or immediately walk away?

She may also enthusiastically talk to me for a little while and be really friendly then somewhere along the way say the B word. If she is enthusiastic about talking to me and she doesn't mention the BF/Husband then I think there is a chance she is interested, but I am usually still too chicken to take it further if it is a cold approach. Any thoughts?

 

[LostAndConfused]

I don't understand what you meant by these as responses to "questions" but they were a great way to pick up on IOI's and more importantly, how to react to IOI's. Great post.

And I've had chicks hold my arm in theirs and sit in my lap.... I didn't think much of it at the time.

 

[Dongfu]

This is interesting, because my ideas are often dismissed initially, but over time they become sort of integrated into the consciousness of the forum.

The obvious resistance in many of the above threads is another example. I challenge anyone to argue the fact that:

1. There are only so many ways a woman can react to you, and

2. It is of your benefit to be prepared, and know how to handle those reactions.

 

[Stéphane]

I think Dongfu is trying to explain that you need a system, and a game plan when your gaming women. Here is an article I posted on another forum about seducing, and been a PUA.

In business people seem to make the mistake that it's all about the product. The product sells by itself, if people like it they will buy it. I am here to tell you that this is a bunch of bull****. What really sells it's the system, and a good system will ensure profit. The product doesn't mather as long you have a good marketing system, you can always create a desire by creating a good marketing campaign (look at pet rocks back in the 80's, people actualy bought rocks)

The problem is that you need to create a foundation for your business, and this foundation is the primary system for all the other systems within your business. It's like building a house, you need a blueprint! In order to create a system, you need to take a lot of things into consideration, Marketing, Laws, Production, Finance, Supply chain/Logistic etc..

You need to create a Marketing system in order to attract customers, you need a Law system in case of lawsuits, you need a Finance system in order to keep the money in check, you need a Supply Chain system in order too sell products, you need a Production system in order to create your products. These are all secondary systems, within the system itself. The system itself needs to hook all the secondary systems in order to get them working together. In PUA this would be called the hook point.

Now let's take a look at the product, and the system by a PUA viewpoint. The product in this context would be youself, it's doesn't mather if your fat, bald, or ugly as long you can create a desire in the female mind. As a PUA we want to take things into consideration. There is certain elements that we want to take into consideration while making a system to attract the opposite sex.

These vary from person to person, but there is also some proven systems that are already in place to help you attract women. All you need to do is to learn an existing system, and use it. The Mystery Method is a proven system that works, and there's a ton more.

It is much easier to learn an existing system, then creating your own, but if you do not have a system in tact then you will find yourself having a lot of trouble attracting the opposite sex. Why do you ask? Because, you won't have the logistics, the marketing, the finances, the productivity in order to sell. Yes, you might get a lucky buyer once in a while, but if you have a weak system it won't mather you will fall short in productivity.

In order to improve you game you need a system, and you need to take that system, and improve it over, and over again. What really sells it's the system, not the product. You can do everything to improve yourself, but if you can't communicate your achievements properly it won't mather.

For beginners I highly encourage you to use an existing system that works, then later try to improve it to your liking, or create your own system.

 

[Stéphane]

Bump

 

[MacAvoy]

Wish people with no clue would stop posting advice threads, makes decent ones hard to find and lowers the standard of this site.

I disagree, its how new ideas and theories are tested out. Threads like this actually add more value to the site than all the "how do I get my ex back" or the "she texted me this, how do I respond" threads.

If it wasn't for threads like this, there would be nothing in the bible. The good ones are easy to find because you'll see the long time posters agreeing or articulating why it makes sense.

If you were here long enough and read the bible, you would realize this.

 

[Dongfu]

I disagree, its how new ideas and theories are tested out. Threads like this actually add more value to the site than all the "how do I get my ex back" or the "she texted me this, how do I respond" threads.

If it wasn't for threads like this, there would be nothing in the bible. The good ones are easy to find because you'll see the long time posters agreeing or articulating why it makes sense.

If you were here long enough and read the bible, you would realize this.

Thanks bro

This is how I feel about it. I put stuff out there so the guys who have some history can feed back at it. I'm not so much concerned "if" they agree or disagree, but "why."

When someone can articulate, then their response has value.

 

[Wodan]

I disagree, its how new ideas and theories are tested out. Threads like this actually add more value to the site than all the "how do I get my ex back" or the "she texted me this, how do I respond" threads.

If it wasn't for threads like this, there would be nothing in the bible. The good ones are easy to find because you'll see the long time posters agreeing or articulating why it makes sense.

If you were here long enough and read the bible, you would realize this.

First of all ive read the bible.

Secondly to anyone thats read and processed the bible in theyre head this wont be useful.

Thirdly this thread will never get in the bible so i dont see how you can say the bible would be empty withought posts like this where basic things get confused and overcomplicated.

'The good ones are easy to find because you'll see the long time posters agreeing or articulating why it makes sense.'

How many posts someone has made doesnt correlate to how good the post is, infact i think some of the worst posts come from people that post on this frequently for years to sustain theyre major flaw that holds them back with girls 'over analysing!'

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

Maybe this is a good thread for showing noobs that nothing terrible will happen in approach . Worst thing that can happen is to be ignored . Thats it .

PSh sh!t and why is DONG FU banned ?:crazy:

 

[DonGorgon]

Still silly..

 

[LeComteDeMonteCristo]

1. There are only so many ways a woman can react to you, and

I agree with this and not just for the initial approach. When you go out a lot you begin to notice patterns. When you approach, when you go in for a kiss, when you tell her to give you her phone number, when you tell her to come home with you, whatever, you will notice that 90 percent of the time you are met with the same handful of responses. You become good at the game because after a while you will sub-consciously recognise these responses and know how to deal with them. Noticing these patters is what lead to the creation of systems like Mystery Method, but it's important to note that for Mystery at least, the practice came before the theory.

 

[nismo-4]

Wish people with no clue would stop posting advice threads, makes decent ones hard to find and lowers the standard of this site.

Big high five to you!

 

[nando]

cool thread