"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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The eye roll

Sabu

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First, allow me to preface the following question by saying that I love all of you. This site and the seduction community are a revelation. God bless you all. Honestly.

Now, allow me to ask this:

Can a rolling of the eyes by a female between the age of 18-22 mean anything besides disgust? Would it be possible for females to not only roll their eyes at supplicative men, but men who employ a ****y/funny routine?

Your feedback would be very appreciated. Thanks.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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If she rolls her eyes and you THINK it means disgust IT PROBABLY DOES!!

If she rolls her eyes at your C+F it means you're not doing it right.
 

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Sabu: How often does this happen? Does it happen with women you don't know who you are trying to chat up?

If it is these women, strangers, I don't believe that is a good sign at all. Once in a while I get facetious eye-rolls from women who I know when they we are ribbing each other and they want to express that "whatever" attitude in a playful non-verbal manner.

If you're getting that from women you don't even know out in the field, I would presume your approach needs some tightening up. A woman who doesn't know you for the most part will just smile and ignore you if she is not interested but to get an eye-roll dude, that is a real sign of intolerance from a chick you don't know.
 

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How many women have rolled their eyes at you?

If its just one I wouldn’t worry about it at all. I think it’s a good idea to get your mind to realize that the universe doesn’t revolve around you. She could have rolled her eyes for any number of reasons. Maybe you brought up a subject that she didn’t like. Maybe you reminder her of an old boyfriend she had problems with. The point it don’t always relate the actions of others especially negative to what you do. Every one has bad days that has absolutely nothing to do with you.
 

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It should be obvious enough when you see it I think... like if the eye roll comes with a smile... it's obviously a good thing, if she looks serious/bored/upset, it's obviously a bad thing
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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If you get an eye-roll-response without a smile, then it means that what you said was stupid.
 

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Seems she thinks you're a jackass or a cheesball with your C+F routine. My guess is you aren't congruent with it and you are overdoing it - which is easy to do and a common mistake.

Her eye roll means "give me a break" - she's not buying your "act". Tone it down and try some other methods. C+F can't be your only trick, it soon gets tired and once you know someone you would be prevented from anything more than a superficial interaction because you'd always be making ****y remarks. In other words, deepening rapport would be very difficult. It should be used to interperse a few remarks now and again.
 

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Have you ever practiced rolling your eyes Sabu?

Just try it! Rolling your eyes links directly to different muscles, it's like trying not to swallow when you stick a Q-tip in your ear. Without having the mysterious mindset where you hold a poker face throughout the transaction, you can't withold tell signs from your face.

What makes the girl roll her eyes at you?
 

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JJMcLure said:
Seems she thinks you're a jackass or a cheesball with your C+F routine. My guess is you aren't congruent with it and you are overdoing it - which is easy to do and a common mistake.

Her eye roll means "give me a break" - she's not buying your "act". Tone it down and try some other methods. C+F can't be your only trick, it soon gets tired and once you know someone you would be prevented from anything more than a superficial interaction because you'd always be making ****y remarks. In other words, deepening rapport would be very difficult. It should be used to interperse a few remarks now and again.
You hit the nail right on the head:cheer:

I'd say this explanation is the most accurate, and why I got not just one, but TWO eye rolls. LOL. Now that I ruminate about what happened, I'd say that I went a little extreme with the ****y/funny approach. I would've tried to establish rapport by becoming less and less flippant; however, perhaps as a reflection of her age (18), just about every comment this girl made had a double-meaning or was arbitrary. The girl would continue to ****-test me, and likewise, I'd continue to play along by responding with an amalgam of jesting and ****iness. I did a poor job of Kino'ing, too.

She'd tell me several times that she thought I was really hot; she (joked?) about wanting to see naked pictures of me; said I should be on the bachelor; offered to do a threesome with me (I facetiously responded by saying that I wouldn't want to share her with anyone and that she was all the woman I wanted, which threw her off guard); and, she laughed pretty frequently at the things I said. BUT, when I asked for her phone number and AIM screenname, she gave me fake ones -- I mean glaringly obvious that they were fake (I did this while she was still in a group). I teased her by quipping that I do not have "chump" or "loser" scribbled on my forehead, and she laughed... LOL

I suppose I had my share of misfires and lame comments, too, and that's where the eye rolls probably came in, like you mentioned.

As for this girl being a complete stranger, she isn't. I've seen her at two parties before this one, but at that time we were just acquaintances.

During our exchange, whenever I pressed her to follow her inflated sexual come-ons with ACTION, she'd backpeddle and make lame excuses.

I'm guessing this girl is the classic attention *****/****tease. She never opened up to me, because I didn't connect with her on a serious and visceral level. For one thing, I should've isolated her from the group of girls she was with. Oops.

Oddly enough, though, every guy there wanted to become my friend, because I was so uninhibited with the girls. But, that's the only silver-lining I could think of, :D

Anyway, a lifetime of success cannot happen without moments of abject failure. It's all good.

Calibrate. Calibrate. Calibrate.
 

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Nice, nice

CAlibrate, calibrate, calibrate, I need taht drilled into my head. Lately I've been getting AMOGed because I isolate the group from the girl. I need to isolate the girl form the group.

Kind of like ignoring them, and waiting them to make another move before I reward them again. Saying "that I wouldn't want to share her with anyone and that she was all the woman I wanted, which threw her off guard" and than ignoring her instead of putting all the focus of the group squarely upon her shoulders. Make her realize the group dynamics.

There is way too much analysis, everything flows so much smoother on the field.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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ethnomethodologist said:
Nice, nice

CAlibrate, calibrate, calibrate, I need taht drilled into my head. Lately I've been getting AMOGed because I isolate the group from the girl. I need to isolate the girl form the group.

Kind of like ignoring them, and waiting them to make another move before I reward them again. Saying "that I wouldn't want to share her with anyone and that she was all the woman I wanted, which threw her off guard" and than ignoring her instead of putting all the focus of the group squarely upon her shoulders. Make her realize the group dynamics.

There is way too much analysis, everything flows so much smoother on the field.
Exactly...couldn't have said it better myself. :yes:
 

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heh, the value of not speaking too much. Sabu, got any good ideas to request feedback concerning 'stirring up discussions'

I'm getting sick of being the guy in the group that people wait to hear speak. I used to be the 'quiet guy' now people get angry when I "think too much" I want to 'provoke discussion"

Of course I want it to be done in a DJ way;)
 

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ethnomethodologist said:
heh, the value of not speaking too much. Sabu, got any good ideas to request feedback concerning 'stirring up discussions'

I'm getting sick of being the guy in the group that people wait to hear speak. I used to be the 'quiet guy' now people get angry when I "think too much" I want to 'provoke discussion"

Of course I want it to be done in a DJ way;)
Maybe we can present the other members on this site with a bunch of hypothetical scenarios (creativity is encouraged), and it would be up to the members to type out the best strategy and why.

Of course, by doing that you get entrenched in a pool of endless analysis, but that's the one drawback to discussing seduction on a message board:p
 

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"hypothetical scenarios"

I wanted to venture into that area ages ago. Even my regular scenarios were met with confusion and accused of being trolling. heh, I rmember when I used to write FR's and LR's there was too much confusion for a good discussion, it all boiled down to NEXTing the people involved:p Advice which I followed, that never did pan out due to my gregarious nature.

What do you mean endless analysis? I think some poeople on this site enjoy snapping after a little harmless devils advocation. See the thread marked "LOOKS LOOKS LOOKS do they matter or not?" for a good discussion that is in no way naive to "The way"
 
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