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You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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The Dogma of "Just Have Fun"

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A lot of new guys hit a point where they decide suddenly that the answer to all of their problems is to "just have fun" and to forget sarging, because if you're having fun, things will just kind of happen. Community dogma has somewhat reflected this, saying that you should always aim to have fun first and sarge second. You constantly hear lines of "just have fun," and "be the party." There's something to be said about this, but I think a lot of new guys use this mentality to rationalize some excuses.

Let me explain:

You can go out specifically to sarge and have fun.
You can go out specifically to sarge and not have fun.
You can go out to have fun and have fun.
You can go out to have fun and not have fun.

From this, we can deduce that "Having fun" has no correlation to whether you're sarging or not. You had great and ****ty nights out before you joined the community, and you'll continue to have both after you join the community. Fun has nothing to do with sarging or even women. Rather, having fun is tied to your emotional state that night.

What I see a lot is new guys going out "to sarge", have a ****ty night and then they say "**** this, we're just going to have fun from now on," as if the two are mutually exclusive. What you're doing is hiding from your failure to sarge that night. You're protecting your ego from the let-down of, "wow, I went out to meet women and I didn't meet a single one. What a ****ty night." You decide to avoid the pressure you put on yourself to open sets. If you can avoid that pressure and just "have fun" you won't have to deal with massive amounts of AA.

As a result, you decide your goal is to now "have fun" which will involve standing around with your buddies and not opening sets -- because you're out to "have fun" and not necessarily to practice your social skills.

New guys should ALWAYS go out with the intent of sarging. If you want to get better with women, you need to push yourself to get better with women. It's that simple. If you want to sit around and have fun with your buddies, you can do that at home in front of the TV. There's a reason you're at a bar and not in someone's living room. Do you expect some chick to magically run into you and decide to **** you or something? You need to take matters into your own hands.

More experienced guys don't have this issue because "sarging" and "having fun" have become almost synonymous. I can't imagine sitting in a bar for two hours without opening a set anymore. I'd be bored out of my mind. Again, if I just wanted to chill with my buddies, I'd invite them over to watch basketball or something. You're in a bar for a REASON.

As a newbie, your goals should be:
- ALWAYS go out with the intent to sarge.
- ALWAYS go out with the intent to have fun.

Once you become more experienced, you'll find yourself having fun whether you sarged well or not. This will become a non-issue. Until then, don't hide behind the idea of "having fun" to rationalize reasons to not work on your skill set. You either want to get good with women or you don't. If you do, then shut up and open sets.

There's no rule that says that having a poor night of sarging isn't "fun." You're too attached to the outcome if that's the case. Everyone has ****ty nights in field, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good night.

Disconnect the two. "Fun" happens in your head. "Sarging" happens at the bars. Don't get the two mixed up.
 

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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

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If one of the people you're referring to is me (I often do say "just have fun") I do not mean it all in the sense that you're talking about. I don't mean that you shouldn't open sets, far from it actually. What I'm saying is that when opening a set, your goal should not be to just get a girls number, but rather to have as much fun as possible. If you go there with the intent of just having fun, then everything else should just come naturally.
 

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Hear hear! Excellent post.

If you don't force yourself to do this stuff sometimes you never break through any new barriers. Its very easy to remain *confidently* inside your comfort zone, not expanding yourself.
 

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TheEdgeOf said:
If one of the people you're referring to is me (I often do say "just have fun") I do not mean it all in the sense that you're talking about. I don't mean that you shouldn't open sets, far from it actually. What I'm saying is that when opening a set, your goal should not be to just get a girls number, but rather to have as much fun as possible. If you go there with the intent of just having fun, then everything else should just come naturally.
I have no idea who you are. There's nothing wrong with wanting to have fun. In fact, I say in the post, you should always have fun. I just run into tons of newbies and students who use "having fun" as an excuse to not open sets. Which is insane.
 

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Entropy4 said:
I have no idea who you are. There's nothing wrong with wanting to have fun. In fact, I say in the post, you should always have fun. I just run into tons of newbies and students who use "having fun" as an excuse to not open sets. Which is insane.
Wait...

But opening sets IS fun
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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