"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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The Definition of Pathetic

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Burroughs said:
Before proposing to your chick in public...MAKE SURE SHE WANTS TO MARRY YOU STUPID!!!
Better yet, if marriage is what you want, wait for her to hint at it. Even better yet, wait for her to propose to you!
 

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WRONG! Do NOT get married. Not in the west under current laws anyway.
 

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Jesus. Him walking up the bleachers in the aftermath was just pitiful. Can't say he didn't have it coming though if he's that imperceptive as to think she was going to say yes.
 

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Nutz said:
WRONG! Do NOT get married. Not in the west under current laws anyway.
I agree

The problem is if you meet a truly quality chick there is no way in hell she will not want to be married; and she knows she can get a guy to commit any time night or day...girls who are hot, with degrees and jobs want kids...they want that four bedroom house they can't afford...they need a husband's income to achieve that.

The problem is that must dudes these days are AFC chumps who have watched too much Oprah and are willing to sell their empty souls for a small taste of unshaven cooch.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Burroughs said:
Before proposing to your chick in public...MAKE SURE SHE WANTS TO MARRY YOU STUPID!!!
I bet the guy felt that he needed some sort of grand romantic gesture to sweep her off her feet, so he came up with this. Maybe he even felt the pressure of all the people watching would make her answer in the affirmative. If he really was sure she wanted to get married, he probably would have proposed in private, or they would have just decided amongst themselves.
 

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lol you wouldn't happen to be a fellow mainboarder would you burroughs lol?
 

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zekko said:
I bet the guy felt that he needed some sort of grand romantic gesture to sweep her off her feet, so he came up with this. Maybe he even felt the pressure of all the people watching would make her answer in the affirmative.
IF that's the case then its really, really pathetic...if a girl isn't chasing you to settle down relatively soon then you're not her 90%+ guy..if you expect a healthy LTR out of her you ain't getting one.

girls chase and guys... to quote chris rock... 'surrender' not the other way around...but then dudes are turning into girls with every passing week it seems.
 

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There you guys go again with your "blame the guy" act. How do we know she hasn't mentioned it, maybe they talked about it, maybe he overheard her friends discussing how much she wants to get married. Maybe he was 100% sure she was going to say yes. Had all the bases covered.

It could be that he's a stupid guy...but it also could be a great guy blindsided by a typical unpredictable unaprreciative dumb stupid *****. I'm thinking it's the latter.

He deserves better, not ridicule
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Even if they have talked about it, a woman rarely wants the proposal to be public, and I don't blame them one bit.

I think it's exceedingly douchey to orchestrate these public spectacles. Too much can go wrong, and it really should be a private matter unless the girl is a total AW.

And if I EVER find one of you kneeling in supplication to ask a a girl to marry you I will personally kick your ass up and down the street. That kneeling is the mother of all supplications... "I beg of you, would you honor a poor, undeserving sap like me by condescending to be my bride?" When I see a man kneeling in supplication before a woman asking for her acceptance it sickens me. It's unecessary DRAMA that you learned in the movies and I guarantee you that even most girls subconsciously find it disturbing.

A woman NEVER wants to see you supplicating to her. Some of them will say otherwise, but it triggers a very bad response in them subconsciously that gets tucked away. When divorce time comes around in her hamster cage, that picture of you kneeling in front of her will work decidedly against you.

Should a man be pleading with a woman on his knee(s), offering her gifts in order that she will say yes, so that she will "make him the happiest man on earth"? Or is HE offering HER an opportunity for a lifetime of security and provision?

/rant
 

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Of course there are YouTube vids of successfull marriage proposals, but it always strikes me that the girl is excited and freaking out because of the fact that she is getting married, not because it's to HIM. The guy always seems to be incidental, a bit-character in the drama of her lifelong fairy-tale coming true.
 

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Atom Smasher said:
Of course there are YouTube vids of successfull marriage proposals, but it always strikes me that the girl is excited and freaking out because of the fact that she is getting married, not because it's to HIM. The guy always seems to be incidental, a bit-character in the drama of her lifelong fairy-tale coming true.
So true.

If I ever propose, it will NEVER be in public, and I will NOT bend a knee. I also see this as a supplicating gesture. A ring, ok. It's symbolic. But you can bet your as$ I'd be 100% sure that girl wants to marry ME. Not just 'be married'.
 

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Atom Smasher said:
Of course there are YouTube vids of successfull marriage proposals, but it always strikes me that the girl is excited and freaking out because of the fact that she is getting married, not because it's to HIM. The guy always seems to be incidental, a bit-character in the drama of her lifelong fairy-tale coming true.
Very true.

A woman's true motivations are something most men couldn't come close to comprehending...

Most likely Tom Brady thinks his wife likes him for deep, intrinsic qualities..lol she does not...she was getting older leo had her in her best years and she wanted to settle down with a tall man of suitable stature, fame, income, and docility.. of course he is safe, he would have to lose all his money, talent, and looks to realize this...

I would say 80-90% of western marriages are built on a woman 'needing to be married' rather than a committed bond between the two individuals. Most woman want to be married by age 25-28..the hot ones are...and the 7-8s are taken by 30. all the leftovers are either snaggle tooths or bipolar cvm dumpsters.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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