The Decline of Poor White America

[speed dawg]

Dumb, dude. They guy on the left CHOOSES to give his stuff to his kids. The important part is in CAPS.

 

[user43770]

The first guy is complaining about government theft, so the second guy responds with more government theft?

Not sure why a bunch of assh0les that somebody else likes should get to decide how my money disappears.

 

[Steady Eddie]

Not only does the minimum wage destroy jobs, the increase is nullified by inflation.

How many times has the minimum wage been raised? What has it accomplished?

 

[speed dawg]

Not sure why a bunch of assh0les that somebody else likes should get to decide how my money disappears.

On top of that, they try to use morals against you, as if that really matters to a person or not. The deceit is strong in Bible Belt's cartoon. Swapping ideals for stealing.

 

[Tenacity]

Not only does the minimum wage destroy jobs, the increase is nullified by inflation.

How many times has the minimum wage been raised? What has it accomplished?

I personally don't have an issue with a minimum wage for workers, it's just I don't understand why there's this significant focus on it? People need to increase their skills to where they can command more income from the marketplace than a minimum wage position.

Plus I still want to know where's the minimum wage for entrepreneurs and business owners? Oh I forgot, there isn't any! But you will never see liberals and far-left folks make a big fuss about how as an entrepreneur, not only is there no minimum wage, but you could also LOSE money.

 

[Urbanyst]

It's pretty much the opposite of that.

Not in the city.

Just shows how effective the divide and conquer technique works on poor people.

 

[speed dawg]

Not in the city.

Just shows how effective the divide and conquer technique works on poor people.

It's inevitable that this will turn into a typical race debate where me (the conservative) will be told I'm wrong because reasons and you (the minority apologist) will be told you do not acknowledge facts. Let's not waste each others time.

No idea where you get your information, but poor white people get absolutely ZERO remorse from anybody on the planet. It's as if minorities WANT to see them suffer, because reasons. Minorities have every other race imaginable looking to help them in the name of......something, I don't know.

I've noticed that most races are held back by their own people, when you get right down to it.

 

[speed dawg]

I just read an article about the lack of a labor force in urban Milwaukee. The neighborhoods were more black or minority than white. But it pointed out that there was no shortage of manufacturing and other blue collar jobs, but that the local workforce is simply unemployable. Problems with absenteeism, drug test failures, alcoholism, and incarceration. A lot of it stems from childhood abuse, and (the article didn't mention it but I will) broken families/lack of a father. Some of the companies have had to truck people in from other areas and put them up in hotels just to have employees. I'm guessing those same issues plague poor white areas. So is it really a lack of jobs? Or a lack of skills and employability?

Why? Any evidence?

My experience, in general, is that the poor white people will work, but most are unwilling to travel to do it. Blacks seem to be willing to move, but not work. There are really white/black problems at present. Hispanics will move around AND work. Remember I am speaking in generalities. I recognize there are many whites who will pick up and move, and there are many blacks who do the same and work hard. It's not an individual thing.

 

[AttackFormation]

Dumb, dude. They guy on the left CHOOSES to give his stuff to his kids. The important part is in CAPS.

That's true. The problem though, is that 100% free choice is also the free choice to by direct or indirect means deprive other people of making their choice, so in the end it's not much different. For example, if the government wasn't controlled by an oligarchy, there would be no need for it to "loan" "money" from banks that it taxes the general public to pay back in the first place, because the government would create its own money.

Or another more clear example to show the point. Some rich family starts buying up all the higher education institutions in the world, and after some generations they own all of them. Then they shut most of them down and permit only the people they want to study in the remainder. In a few generations, only themselves and their buddies have any higher education while the rest of the world is now reduced to ignorance. If you think freedom can only be good, then they haven't done anything bad. This example by the way (and as you probably know) is standard operating procedure in our world for stuff in general.

The point being that if you want to have a civilization based on stuff like equal opportunity, you need laws and morals for that to happen which means there can't be total freedom of choice to do anything even if your choice only has an indirect effect on others, or those ideals will gradually disappear. That's why concepts like "total market freedom" in the end lead to exactly the opposite of that.

 

[speed dawg]

That's true. The problem though, is that 100% free choice is also the free choice to by direct or indirect means deprive other people of making their choice, so in the end it's not much different. For example, if the government wasn't controlled by an oligarchy, there would be no need for it to "loan" "money" from banks that it taxes the general public to pay back in the first place, because the government would create its own money.

Or another more clear example to show the point. Some rich family starts buying up all the higher education institutions in the world, and after some generations they own all of them. Then they shut most of them down and permit only the people they want to study in the remainder. In a few generations, only themselves and their buddies have any higher education while the rest of the world is now reduced to ignorance. If you think freedom can only be good, then they haven't done anything bad. This example by the way (and as you probably know) is standard operating procedure in our world.

The point being that if you want to have a civilization based on stuff like equal opportunity, you need laws and morals for that to happen which means there can't be total freedom of choice to do anything even if your choice only has an indirect effect on others, or those ideals will gradually disappear.

I agree 100%. You have to hope people of morals are in power, because if they are, things like what you said above won't happen. In addition, if they buy up all the higher education, what's to stop someone else from opening their own? The blacks did it with the HBCUs.

 

[Urbanyst]

It's inevitable that this will turn into a typical race debate where me (the conservative) will be told I'm wrong because reasons and you (the minority apologist) will be told you do not acknowledge facts. Let's not waste each others time.

No idea where you get your information, but poor white people get absolutely ZERO remorse from anybody on the planet. It's as if minorities WANT to see them suffer, because reasons. Minorities have every other race imaginable looking to help them in the name of......something, I don't know.

I've noticed that most races are held back by their own people, when you get right down to it.

Its not about being conservative or liberal. That's my entire point about the divide and conquer technique. People are always thinking its an "us vs. them" situation while being blind to the real cause of the problem.

Poor minorities and poor whites are in the same situation. But each group is told the other group has some kind of advantage.. thus each group demonizes the other without realizing they are in the same situation with the same enemy. And that enemy is not each other. But they will never learn this because the powers that be who are actually causing the problems in the first place don't want them to unite.

They think elites like Trump, the rich and politicians are their friends. Minorities cling to democrats and poor whites cling to conservatives. Neither realizing how stupid they are for supporting the very people who are hurting them.

 

[speed dawg]

Its not about being conservative or liberal. That's my entire point about the divide and conquer technique. People are always thinking its an "us vs. them" situation while being blind to the real cause of the problem.

Poor minorities and poor whites are in the same situation. But each group is told the other group has some kind of advantage.. thus each group demonizes the other without realizing they are in the same situation with the same enemy. And that enemy is not each other. But they will never learn this because the powers that be who are actually causing the problems in the first place don't want them to unite.

They think elites like Trump, the rich and politicians are their friends. Minorities cling to democrats and poor whites cling to conservatives. Neither realizing how stupid they are for supporting the very people who are hurting them.

Good points, but I would say you have to acknowledge the differences in those two group of people. I know, I know, I'm not supposed to, we're all equal except for color of skin, blah, blah, but that's not the truth. The truth is, in 2017 in America, poor white and poor black are two different cultures. Politically they may not be, but socially they are. No one wants to discuss this because it's not PC, and not what we've been taught. There are obviously many outliers that skirt on both sides of the fence, so there is no absolutes. But any way you define 'success', will result in imbalances to the scales. Athletically, academically, financially.

I disagree about poor whites clinging to conservatives. They historically vote democrat. They just didn't in THIS election because they saw how the democrats totally f*cked them over in favor of other groups.

 

[speed dawg]

The cure for that is probably (moderate) nationalism. Which is no surprise to me that Trump won with a slogan as simple as "make America great again".

Funny, because the racial crap has already substantially died down.

 

[Urbanyst]

Good points, but I would say you have to acknowledge the differences in those two group of people. I know, I know, I'm not supposed to, we're all equal except for color of skin, blah, blah, but that's not the truth. The truth is, in 2017 in America, poor white and poor black are two different cultures. Politically they may not be, but socially they are. No one wants to discuss this because it's not PC, and not what we've been taught. There are obviously many outliers that skirt on both sides of the fence, so there is no absolutes. But any way you define 'success', will result in imbalances to the scales. Athletically, academically, financially.

I disagree about poor whites clinging to conservatives. They historically vote democrat. They just didn't in THIS election because they saw how the democrats totally f*cked them over in favor of other groups.

Poor whites and poor blacks are definitely two different cultures. No question.

All part of the divide and conquer technique. You notice that the higher up on the food chain people get.. the less cultural differences seem to exist. And you see more integration among higher up people, while there is more segregation among the poor. Why do you think that is?

 

[Urbanyst]

Segregation is a typical strategy of the left.

Socialism (rich against poor), feminism (men against women), Black lives matter (black against white). Always looking to segregate people politically.

The cure for that is probably (moderate) nationalism. Which is no surprise to me that Trump won with a slogan as simple as "make America great again".

Segregation is a typical strategy of both sides.

Every side thinks they are the solution and uses talking points to make the other side look wrong. Both sides have their heads up their asses.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Segregation is a typical strategy of both sides.

Every side thinks they are the solution and uses talking points to make the other side look wrong. Both sides have their heads up their asses.

This is true.

Black supremacists and white supremacists spout the same revisionist history and religious nonsense.

"Whites built civilization"
"Blacks are superior because they have more melanin"
"Whites are genetic mutations"
"Blacks are primitive animals"
"Jesus was white"
"Jesus was black"

Jesus didn't even exist folks.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

This is true.

Black supremacists and white supremacists spout the same revisionist history and religious nonsense.

"Whites built civilization"
"Blacks are superior because they have more melanin"
"Whites are genetic mutations"
"Blacks are primitive animals"
"Jesus was white"
"Jesus was black"

Jesus didn't even exist folks.

The funny thing is, if a human called Jesus of Nazareth actually DID exist (regardless of whether or not he was the "son of God"), he probably wasn't black OR white as we define it today

He wasn't European OR African. He would have been a Semite, which is to say indigenous to the middle east. He was probably brown.

Looks like the KKK and the Black Hebrew Israelites both lose.

 

[speed dawg]

Poor whites and poor blacks are definitely two different cultures. No question.

All part of the divide and conquer technique. You notice that the higher up on the food chain people get.. the less cultural differences seem to exist. And you see more integration among higher up people, while there is more segregation among the poor. Why do you think that is?

I would define the "food chain" as intellect level. Sometimes that causes segregation itself (another topic no one wants to discuss). The lower the intellect level, the more 'tribalism' is found.

Overall it's really not a race issue, over thousands of years. But in 2017 America, it IS very much a race issue. Maybe 500 years from now, it won't be. If we continue on our current tract of subsidizing the dumbsh*ts, we are going to have an 80% white ruling class who amasses 20% of the population, ruling (behind gated communities) over an 80% mixed/brown population (all the poor whites/blacks/etc. mixed together) who constantly fight each other over the scraps from the 20%'s table. If we stop that crap and start instilling Judeo-Christian value systems again, the family dynamic will make a comeback and we will become an intelligent civilization again. Race crap will largely go away.

That's how it works throughout history.

 

[speed dawg]

The funny thing is, if a human called Jesus of Nazareth actually DID exist (regardless of whether or not he was the "son of God"), he probably wasn't black OR white as we define it today

He wasn't European OR African. He would have been a Semite, which is to say indigenous to the middle east. He was probably brown.

Looks like the KKK and the Black Hebrew Israelites both lose.

Correct. Jesus Christ was a Jew, which, at the beginning, was the most mixed brown people there were, hanging out in the Middle East.

 

[Epicwinguy]

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