The Brad Pitt Test needs to come back

[jhonny9546]

The rule I live by, which I have mentioned before and which is an extension of this principle, is that I don't allow myself to believe a single thing a girl says

This right?
Your perspective is interesting

 

[Manure Spherian]

Yep: Life is inherently dangerous, and a lot of what we've encountered around The Manosphere over the past decade or so is no less contaminated by "Safetyism" than most of the rhetoric we get out of The Woke Left

Anyone who can't bear the thought of sometimes hearing words or witnessing behavior they find objectionable is well-advised to remain indoors, watching The Disney Channel

Are you referring to the Manospherian fantasy of having a harem of sequestered women who don’t speak?

 

[Manure Spherian]

is that I don't allow myself to believe a single thing a girl says

By that logic we shouldn’t associate with women.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Are you referring to the Manospherian fantasy of having a harem of sequestered women who don’t speak?

Either that or a real-life June Cleaver, who Divine Intervention prevents from ever going the way of Betty Draper

Such fantasies are the male equivalent of the sort of crud one finds in paperback fiction produced for and consumed by women: A multi-billionaire who models for Calvin Klein on the side, loves kids/is the greatest dad in human history, never blurts out anything obnoxious, is the most amazing lover on the planet, and will NEVER EVER so much as think of straying

 

[Sega Genesis]

Women break their own rules for men they truly want. The truth is simple. They respond faster. They show up. They do not need time to figure out how they feel. They make exceptions, not excuses.

In the context provided above YES absolutely agree. A highly interested woman should and will be receptive, responsive, enthusiastic, accept your date invites, NOT flake, be warm and attentive consistently.

So long as you as men are also doing your part consistently and not playing games, employing your own shyt/compliance tests due to your own insecurities or whatever.

When women truly like a guy they will make effort.

Yes and make it "easy" for you.

Can you define what you mean by "effort"? And "easy"?

I ask this earnestly as it can be confusing.

Do you mean chase and do all the heavy lifting when you (as men) are failing to do your part or employing "compliance" tests (clears throat - shyt tests?)

For example I've read here to not reach out for a week to nine days after a great date to determine if SHE will. If she doesn't she's NOT interested. Or "highly" interested. And to move on.

Well, if I may ask, what about her own "rule" that she wants a man to make and demonstrate consistent effort?

What is SHE to think if a man has not reached out for 7-9 days after a great first or second date? Or asks her out but does not follow through?

I know what I would think, that either HE isn't interested (or highly interested) or playing games. And I would "move on."

I'm speaking about early stages when such strategies tend to exist.

Do you truly believe in that context a beautiful high-value, highly interested woman should "break her own rule" and begin chasing?

If so I think that is an unrealistic expectation unless you want a low value insecure woman.

Same for when women employ their own silly rules like (and I can't believe I am saying this as it sounds so utterly ludicrous) not accepting a Saturday night date if he doesn't ask by Wednesday!

If he asks on Thursday, there is advice to not accept even if she has nothing else going on!

In that case, what's a man to think? Yes some women would expect HIM to continue chasing/pursuing which personally I believe is misguided thinking.

It goes BOTH ways imo. The woman and man should be making consistent and tangible effort for things to "work." In their own way or even at times in the same way..

There is a saying "nothing of value comes easy" which means that truly worthwhile things in life, whether achievements, people relationships, or personal growth, require effort.

Consistent effort. It suggests that easy paths (and people) often lead to superficial or temporary results, while meaningful achievements are built through consistent effort, dedication and overcoming challenges when/if they exist.

True for both men and women. No exceptions.

I don't mean difficult and hard to get but be consistent and stop employing silly strategies to determine interest, such games often backfire in my experience.

Again true for both men and women.

P.S Perhaps @BeExcellent can chime in as she could probably articulate this better than I and you guys typically listen to her.

P.P.S: Plenty of women have jerked around and/or rejected Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp etc. when/if they acted like a**holes or sometimes for no reason at all other than they (the women) have not been interested.

Even non-celebrity women. I know @BeExcellent has she's discussed it. I also have (models and the like) mostly when I lived and worked in NYC when I haven't been genuinely interested.

No man no matter how "high status" has the market cornered on not being rejected.

It's not about that.

 

[MatureDJ]

"If you knew how easy women are for the men they like, you would stop chasing them"-Unknown

This is so true. I basically ghost any chick that doesn't seem to like me. I would hazard to guess that this is the same reason a lot of women are complaining about men ghosting them - these men are saying to themselves that if she is not showing strong attraction, it's not worth me putting in the effort.

 

[SW15]

I basically ghost any chick that doesn't seem to like me.

How often do you experience genuine burning desire?

In the USA market, you don't seem like the type who would ever experience that here.

The 54 year old woman from this thread would likely reject you on height alone. She would be a close age match to you and that's common in USA dating.

Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/style/modern-love-men-where-have-you-gone-please-come-back.html https://ghostarchive.org/archive/wCejM

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[CornbreadFed]

How often do you experience genuine burning desire?

In the USA market, you don't seem like the type who would ever experience that here.

The 54 year old woman from this thread would likely reject you on height alone. She would be a close age match to you and that's common in USA dating.

Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/style/modern-love-men-where-have-you-gone-please-come-back.html https://ghostarchive.org/archive/wCejM

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This is where strategically targeting matters. If a guy is targeting women more than likely matching with his type or wanting his type then he will experience genuine burning desire. Your scope of women is not the same as his, so in your head you think he is killing it with stacy the uptown princess of Dallas.

 

[SW15]

killing it with stacy the uptown princess of Dallas.

Women with the "Stacy" label living in center city Dallas neighborhoods (Uptown Dallas has fallen off in the last 7-10 years) have extreme abundance. These are the bougie White women that are hugely in demand. Stacy of Central Dallas can mostly write her own ticket. Stacy of Central Dallas is chasing Chad of Central Dallas.

It's super tough to attract and retain Stacy of Central Dallas.

For those not familiar with Dallas' mating scene, this forum has a great thread about Dallas' mating scene.

Observations on Dallas' Scene

Based on @Jesse Pinkman's write ups of New York City, Miami, and large state universities, I thought it would be worthwhile to write up Dallas, the city I call home. The Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area (DFW) is the 4th most populated metropolitan area in the United States. Dallas and Fort...

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Additionally, young Brad Pitt appeared on CBS' "Dallas" TV show in the late 1980s.

 

[Solomon]

This is where strategically targeting matters. If a guy is targeting women more than likely matching with his type or wanting his type then he will experience genuine burning desire. Your scope of women is not the same as his, so in your head you think he is killing it with stacy the uptown princess of Dallas.

This is advanced and nuanced stuff, once guys figure this out it makes dating a lot easier. Let's say you like skinny women with nice hips, you ain't gonnna get many of those in Alabama the standard advice is cool for genraltiies but the game is nuance for every man, once guys figure this out, tailor their game and stratgey work on the stuff they need to work on (it may even be moving from Alabama) then things get easier.

Whining and complaning about it ain't gonna do a damn thing

 

[MatureDJ]

How often do you experience genuine burning desire?

In the USA market, you don't seem like the type who would ever experience that here.

The 54 year old woman from this thread would likely reject you on height alone. She would be a close age match to you and that's common in USA dating.

Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/style/modern-love-men-where-have-you-gone-please-come-back.html https://ghostarchive.org/archive/wCejM

www.sosuave.net

It has happened every once in a while, just as it has happened for the typical Normie-tier man.

 

[nismo-4]

Women's emotions are more volatile than crypto.

The Brad Pitt or Celebrity Maxim exists because of interest.

If she finds you attractive, you could discuss The Legend of Zelda or Crash Bandicoot with her and she'll hang on to your every word. Try that when she doesn't like you and she'll at most friendzone you. I dated a chick that was 55 and a teacher, and I had a Triforce chain on. She was black and when I picked her up, her son was playing the first game. I mentioned he should enter his name as Zelda. She asked me what that did, I said "He'll be on the second quest. It's long and hard, but that ain't the only thing that's long and hard right now." We went to Panera Bread, had some turkey chili, and when we got outside at closing time, she teased me about liking pear shaped women. Hey, she had a booty and hips on her. Needless to say, we wound up making out in the parking lot. She moved my hands to her booty during the makeout, when we got in her Benz, it got even hotter. No words, just smashing. This was burning desire. And her smile was just plain beautiful.

Chad and Tyrone have dating on normal mode. Bob and John are on hard mode. Sub 5's have expert mode. Most guys are normies. If you're a normie and get a lot of money, guess what? You can buy clout, a high value IG, a business, sexy aesthetics, an image consultant, etc.

 

[darksprezzatura]

This frame, generated by this question, has helped me make many good decisions and navigate interesting situations. Thanks for bumping it. It is very useful even though we aren’t these celebrities, as the effect on a woman who’s completely into you is the same as if she’s dating Brad Pitt.

Realise this, keep frame and enjoy your life.

 

[BeExcellent]

Apparently I'm a wee bit late to this thread. I have always thought the "Brad Pitt" test is a quick way to evaluate a woman's interest.

You want someone who is responsive, who rewards your effort and investment in her....with reciprocal investment in you. How that manifests will vary but it should be obvious.

Put another way:

As long as she is saying Yes she is interested. Don't make this into algebra. Its much simpler than that.

And if you as a man are second guessing her sincerity or questioning her interest? Then you my friend are having an inferiority complex and putting her on a pedestal and seeing her as more valuable than you.

That is an inside job you gotta fix. You cannot derive your sense of worth from your ability to obtain a certain girl. Recapture your own power if you find yourself doing that.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Don't make this into algebra

THAT ship sailed back in '16, not just in the realm of dating and mating, but in all aspects of life. We now live in a world where we're having "debates" over whether or not an ad for jeans is "Nazi Propaganda". And it wouldn't be surprising to learn that large segments of The Manosphere are asserting that this same ad "Promotes Gynocentrism"

 

[CornbreadFed]

And if you as a man are second guessing her sincerity or questioning her interest? Then you my friend are having an inferiority complex and putting her on a pedestal and seeing her as more valuable than you.

Nah, I’ve been with women to where they were receptive, but I just didn’t feel like they had genuine interest in me. Your gut feeling is a superpower, so use it.

 

[SW15]

How often do you experience genuine burning desire?

It has happened every once in a while, just as it has happened for the typical Normie-tier man.

I agree with your comment there.

A normie tier looks man isn't genuinely desired in most cases, even if he gets into a long term relationship. In these LTRs, he was often settled for as the woman didn't perceive she could get a commitment from a higher tier looks man. This is most true when the normie tier looks man doesn't have that much money, though many normie tier looks men have respectable incomes.

There are many normie tier looks men within the income thresholds of $75,000 - $125,000 as mentioned in this 2023 thread below. While this income range is decent (somewhat dependent on age), it's not indicative of a man with money.

Women Don't Want a Semi-Successful Man

Men in this category, $75k-$125k salary, relatively in shape, drive a good car, has a few hobbies, women do not want. Why? Because this man has standards. Women do not want to work for their men. Women of today want a simp or a millionaire. Simple as that. This is what society aka social media...

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Normie tier looks men with money can experience something that looks more like genuine burning desire, but the woman is mainly into him for money and the usefulness of that money for her.

A good example of this is influencer Courtney Ryan. Courtney Ryan realized that she was not going to secure a relationship with an alpha tier, so she settled for a dweebish looking man with money named Teddy Baldassarre. Courtney Ryan was somewhat unusual for doing this earlier in life, as the Baldassarre relationship started before she was 25. Women often do that years later in life.

A normie tier looks man with a charismatic personality can experience genuine burning desire. That guy needs to have a high level of charisma to make up for mediocre looks and money. It's unlikely to happen, but it can happen.

 

[Solomon]

In the context provided above YES absolutely agree. A highly interested woman should and will be receptive, responsive, enthusiastic, accept your date invites, NOT flake, be warm and attentive consistently.

So long as you as men are also doing your part consistently and not playing games, employing your own shyt/compliance tests due to your own insecurities or whatever.



Yes and make it "easy" for you.

Can you define what you mean by "effort"? And "easy"?

I ask this earnestly as it can be confusing.

Do you mean chase and do all the heavy lifting when you (as men) are failing to do your part or employing "compliance" tests (clears throat - shyt tests?)

For example I've read here to not reach out for a week to nine days after a great date to determine if SHE will. If she doesn't she's NOT interested. Or "highly" interested. And to move on.

Well, if I may ask, what about her own "rule" that she wants a man to make and demonstrate consistent effort?

What is SHE to think if a man has not reached out for 7-9 days after a great first or second date? Or asks her out but does not follow through?

I know what I would think, that either HE isn't interested (or highly interested) or playing games. And I would "move on."

I'm speaking about early stages when such strategies tend to exist.

Do you truly believe in that context a beautiful high-value, highly interested woman should "break her own rule" and begin chasing?

If so I think that is an unrealistic expectation unless you want a low value insecure woman.

Same for when women employ their own silly rules like (and I can't believe I am saying this as it sounds so utterly ludicrous) not accepting a Saturday night date if he doesn't ask by Wednesday!

If he asks on Thursday, there is advice to not accept even if she has nothing else going on!

In that case, what's a man to think? Yes some women would expect HIM to continue chasing/pursuing which personally I believe is misguided thinking.

It goes BOTH ways imo. The woman and man should be making consistent and tangible effort for things to "work." In their own way or even at times in the same way..

There is a saying "nothing of value comes easy" which means that truly worthwhile things in life, whether achievements, people relationships, or personal growth, require effort.

Consistent effort. It suggests that easy paths (and people) often lead to superficial or temporary results, while meaningful achievements are built through consistent effort, dedication and overcoming challenges when/if they exist.

True for both men and women. No exceptions.

I don't mean difficult and hard to get but be consistent and stop employing silly strategies to determine interest, such games often backfire in my experience.

Again true for both men and women.

P.S Perhaps @BeExcellent can chime in as she could probably articulate this better than I and you guys typically listen to her.

P.P.S: Plenty of women have jerked around and/or rejected Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp etc. when/if they acted like a**holes or sometimes for no reason at all other than they (the women) have not been interested.

Even non-celebrity women. I know @BeExcellent has she's discussed it. I also have (models and the like) mostly when I lived and worked in NYC when I haven't been genuinely interested.

No man no matter how "high status" has the market cornered on not being rejected.

It's not about that.

When I say women, "women make it easy" I'm talking about

-No lame games-like the texting 7-9 day crap, she will text first (yes, even in 202,5 a lot of women won't text first)
-energy is recioprateed
-she makes herself available and is willing to spend time with the guy she fancies
-She is on her Ps and Qs, not just from dressing up, but also in her communication
-She sincerely takes interest in his hobbies even if she is not into this
-No flaking, no lame excuses etc


To say that women don't break their own rules is a lie, let's not pretend that when a woman truly likes a guy she will do stuff she usually wouldn't do. I can think of a few things most women wouldn't do....

• Drive in one of the worse snowstorms to spend the night with a guy (talking about 2 feet of snow a drive that usually would take 30 minutes took 1.5 hours)
• Cook and clean his place
• Pay for dinner sometimes to treat the guy
• Drive 4.5 hours one way to see him
• Pay for the first date
• etc

These aren't made-up scenarios but things that women have done for me in the last 3 years. From one and done(girl drive nearly 5 hours) to Girlfriends etc.

To say it's insecure is nonsense and tells me either you're not really a woman or you have never dealt with a man whom you deemed a catch. Do you think most women would drive nearly 5 hours before never having met a guy(this was not a girlfriend). When a woman makes effort it's easy for a guy to tell because most women don't make effort. When a woman knows she is dealing with a guy who is cut above the rest, if she is smart, she will try to lock'em down and that means she will go all out.

King treatment is a real thing

 

[Sega Genesis]

To say it's insecure is nonsense and tells me either you're not really a woman or you have never dealt with a man whom you deemed a catch.

Well I assure you I am a woman (former catsmeow). However, I don't believe in "rules" per se, and I have and DO make tons of effort and happy to do so!

All my boyfriends including current (whom I consider a total catch), feel and have felt like a King, I believe I posted that.

However in order for me to feel happy and comfortable making all the effort I make, I do need for HIM to be making effort too.

Versus testing me, attempting to manipulate me and my feelings through gamesmanship and expecting me to be his maid (cleaning HIS house?, doing HIS laundry?), driving five hours in a snow storm to see him/have sex with him?

Thankfully none of my boyfriends have ever required these things of me. Nor did they even want me to!

In fact even IF I were inclined to want to drive five hours in a blizzard HE wouldn't have allowed it as it's much too dangerous!

However I love to cook and cook for him, for us, often even early in.

I have suggested and planned dates (tickets to a ball game for example) and offered to pay and have paid.

But no I'm not his maid, nor his mom (nor does he want me to be), nor do I have a "martyr" complex that I would risk my life in a snow storm to have sex with him. No matter how much of a catch he is.

That's just plain dumb.

We both should be making effort.

I don't believe in "rules" or keeping score (ugh) and if at times I am making more effort, that's fine. At other times HE will make more.

Its a balance. I like to call it "give and give." Versus give and take.

If you want to call me "high maintenance" or whatever for that so be, I have no issue with that.

 

[The Duke]

Sega/meow kitten - your litter box needs changed again, it's stinking up the place .

@Solomon is spot on. The guy doesn't require schitt. A girl that is super into him just does it and delivers and treats him like a King because she wants to. It's usually very unbalanced.

I've had that same King treatment, only a man would know. I've had several women do all sorts of crazy things for me. Obviously you've never been that into a guy or you need to get with better men that do it for ya.

I just laugh when a woman says she has rules! And none of them put out on the first or second date. None of them love anal either. Lmfao.

A woman will do anything and everything for the right man.