"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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The Benjamin Franklin Effect

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Benjamin Franklin once competed with a man for office, and tensions ran high. Franklin wanted to make a friend of the guy, so he sent a letter requesting a book from him. This act led to them becoming friends.

Most people think that "you do nice things for the people you like and bad things to the people you hate." Well, in reality the opposite is true: "you grow to like people for whom you do nice things and hate people you harm."

What you guys think about it?should i ask favors from woman or is that beta?i know for a fact that woman do this all the time....
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Good post. I've heard of several studies mentioned that state that when you do something for someone (i.e. Buy them gifts, drive out of your way to see them, etc.) Your mind wants to be vaidated that the person you are doing these things for is of value to you and thus you start to view them as "worth it."

So I think getting a girl to buy you a souvenir when she goes on a trip, having her drive to your place occasionally instead of always picking her up show her that not only are you not a beta because you're not succumbing to her every whim and trying to "buy her" but in her mind youare gaining value.
 

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Getting a woman to invest in you is a commonly spoke of game tactic. It works for everyone though. The more someone does for you the better that person feels about you.
 

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JoeMarron said:
Getting a woman to invest in you is a commonly spoke of game tactic. It works for everyone though. The more someone does for you the better that person feels about you.
But of course, their needs to be a fine line. You can quickly get into that nice guy/orbiter zone if you constantly shower them with praise and gifts.

Spoiling a woman leads to some pretty lousy behavior. Been there, done that, opened the business. You are creating an entitled user.

I think about the best coaches I had as an athlete, and what teams I was on that had the best results. The coaches who never praised us got the most victories. I'm not saying that they didn't pat us on the back...but they certainly kept us on our toes - only rewarding us when we did something extraordinary. A merely "good" performance didn't warrant praise. That led us to only do extraordinary things on the field and never settle for less.

How should relationships be any different? If your girl is acting great, reward that behavior. Enforce that rule.
 

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I think expos didnt got it its about gettin favors from them....


I wasnt aware of this it seems legit but my doubt is if i do it to people who i barely know will it work?now that i think about it i feel somethin from the homeless people i help(and i dont help em all i feel some type of way bout the ones i do)...
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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plus is that a good way to break the ice wit woman?ask for favours?
 

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This "Benjamin Franklin" effect you speak of is known as Cognitive Dissonance in Psychology. The principle is that we want to always keep our actions in line with our beliefs, and when these two are out of sync we feel a sense of discomfort. To resolve this discomfort, one must either change their action, or change their belief.

In Benjamin Franklin's case, he made his enemy do a favor for him. Doing a favor would run contrary to his belief that "I don't like Ben Franklin," so he would feel mental discomfort. To resolve this discomfort, he changed his belief, "since I am doing Ben a favor, I must like him!" That's how it works.

You can use this to your advantage in many ways. If you think you're shy, and you force yourself to approach constantly, eventually you will believe that you're no longer shy. OR, you can change your belief by telling yourself that you love approaching women, and then to reduce the dissonance this would create, you would have to approach!
 

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expos said:
But of course, their needs to be a fine line. You can quickly get into that nice guy/orbiter zone if you constantly shower them with praise and gifts.

Spoiling a woman leads to some pretty lousy behavior. Been there, done that, opened the business. You are creating an entitled user.

I think about the best coaches I had as an athlete, and what teams I was on that had the best results. The coaches who never praised us got the most victories. I'm not saying that they didn't pat us on the back...but they certainly kept us on our toes - only rewarding us when we did something extraordinary. A merely "good" performance didn't warrant praise. That led us to only do extraordinary things on the field and never settle for less.

How should relationships be any different? If your girl is acting great, reward that behavior. Enforce that rule.
Lol you got it backwards. No one is talking about spoiling women. I'm talking about getting them to do things for you.
 

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foolyoufool said:
This "Benjamin Franklin" effect you speak of is known as Cognitive Dissonance in Psychology. The principle is that we want to always keep our actions in line with our beliefs, and when these two are out of sync we feel a sense of discomfort. To resolve this discomfort, one must either change their action, or change their belief.

In Benjamin Franklin's case, he made his enemy do a favor for him. Doing a favor would run contrary to his belief that "I don't like Ben Franklin," so he would feel mental discomfort. To resolve this discomfort, he changed his belief, "since I am doing Ben a favor, I must like him!" That's how it works.

You can use this to your advantage in many ways. If you think you're shy, and you force yourself to approach constantly, eventually you will believe that you're no longer shy. OR, you can change your belief by telling yourself that you love approaching women, and then to reduce the dissonance this would create, you would have to approach!
Great explanation. Nice thread.
 

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This is why whenever a woman asks if she can help, you always let her help you, even if you can...get the door on your own, pick something up, etc etc.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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I agree with everything above. You want her to do things for you. Whether you "order" her or simply ask her doesn't matter, although if you ask her it's easier for her to say no.
 

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I'm training myself to let women do things for me, mainly at work... one client offered me half of the sammich her HUSBAND bought her. I took it! She's a babe, too. Yesterday another one wanted to bring me ice water, and I told myself "Just take it." I had my own that I'd brought.
The time I had to send a woman away, she was too downright distracting, in her stretchy tight pants and tank top. I thought I needed help and asked her to give me a hand, but it turned out I could manage on my own. She was modelesque hot.
 

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Cognitive dissonance indeed. When you get a chick to do something for you, she will rationalize it as "Uh, I must really like this guy if I'm doing this for him". On top of that, it's a good anchor.
I usually get chick I like to do little things for me.
 

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Same goes with sex. Fail to escalate, a woman may start thinking "I'm not sleeping with him, so I must not be attracted to him."
 

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b1tch buys you a candy bar and she thinks "whatever aint **** for money" and if that girl buys you a house she thinks "this guy is marriage material and yes he can do my sister too"
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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