"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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So ive finaly reached where i wanted to reach through all the rejections through my AFC years, and all the hard work in understanding women...

this thread is regarding the establishment of an LTR...btw ive read the bible on LTR and know how to go about it when in an LTR...but...

my question is to those of you who have established a succesful LTR...how did you tell your girl

how do you tell the girl you want an LTR, that you want to be with her in a whole diff. level, without coming off as a desperate fool....especially in my case i would be the last guy to come off desprate...i have a lot of confidence, can always walk away if she turns out rotten or loses my interest in her, and am juss a chill guy that everybody loves to be with.

thats why i want to use the perfect words when telling her this.

ide appreciate your guy's tips or personal experience.

thnx :rockon:
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I, personally, never say "long term relationship" this is a pseudonym for marriage, or at least it sounds like it. Usually women will understand that you respect them as human beings if you say something like "friendship" instead, now I KNOW that the "friend zone" is hell, but in my experience, it has always been good to say "friendship" instead of "long term relationship", especially if you and the girl are having sex, and hang out, even if you guys fall in love I still consider that a very imporant friendship.
 
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Does anyone else here get a lot of girls "joking" about marriage and kids early on? Are they testing the waters, here? And what makes them joke about it with some guys, but not others? Especially so early on?
I think they're doing a little more than just joking about it, dude.
 

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Charm&Style said:
thats why i want to use the perfect words when telling her this.
In my experience, trying to find the perfect words for ANYTHING is a bad idea. It'll probably take you a long time to settle on something, and you may just miss your chance flat out. Then, if you plan out this huge long speech about how "we should be together, let's take the next step, blah blah blah", it'll come across as rehersed (which it is) and kinda corny, like some teen sitcom or something. Also, you'll have this built up expectation of her reaction, since your speech probably depends on her saying yes. What if she says no? Then your proclamation of love is wasted and you're hurt pretty bad. Overall, the bad outweighs the good here.

Why not just be straight-up honest with her?

"Hey girl, listen. Its time we went public. Be my girlfriend."

Simple as that.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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...thnx

but still bro, how would you ask the girl that likes you and you like back that you want to take things to the next level.

see this is my case...i luckly have turned my best friend into my lover...

we arent officialy together...she has said she sees her self with me and part of my life...but now i want to make things official, i feel its time and i want to tell her this week when we go out to an amusement park.

this thread is mainly asking how you would tell the girl that you want to become official without looking like a pvssy.
 

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Ace of Flames said:
In my experience, trying to find the perfect words for ANYTHING is a bad idea. It'll probably take you a long time to settle on something, and you may just miss your chance flat out. Then, if you plan out this huge long speech about how "we should be together, let's take the next step, blah blah blah", it'll come across as rehersed (which it is) and kinda corny, like some teen sitcom or something. Also, you'll have this built up expectation of her reaction, since your speech probably depends on her saying yes. What if she says no? Then your proclamation of love is wasted and you're hurt pretty bad. Overall, the bad outweighs the good here.

Why not just be straight-up honest with her?

"Hey girl, listen. Its time we went public. Be my girlfriend."

Simple as that.

Bravo :yes: :cheer:

but one thing is that i dont want it to go public and neither does she...juss due to the fact of her strict parents...i have established a reall high position with her family...they feel comfortable with me staying at their house till 5am, but i dont want to take their trust away.
 

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Keep in mind the longest relationship I have been in lasted only two months so I could be wrong. I wouldn't think that would need to say it verbally to her,just go with the flow.
 

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its funny how when it comes to fvcking a girl...everyone has a mothafaakin oppinion...

but

...when it comes to keeping a girl...:crackup:
 

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I think you can use a pre-thought line,just make sure it's congruent with your character so far.If you were c+f during your interactions with this girl all the time you knew her you could pull a pad and start saying "cooks,check,big tv,check" and some more stuff and then say "ok you're now officially my girlfriend".When saying "important" things like that your "real" character shows and she can smell it from a mile.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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ya bro that sounds good...i was thinking about using c&f too but then i rethought it and thought it mite make her think that im juss kiddiing with her and not serious.

i wanna say something that shows that even if she turns me down it will have no effect on me...this may sound hella childish and AFCish but how have you guys told your girl that you feel the same towards them and want to share your happiness with them.

see i wanna make it look like its a privilage for her to be with me...so i know fo sho that one thing i will mention is how i want to share my happy, vivid life with her boring a$s one
 

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Stop thinking so much. Wouldn't you rather just ask her and be enjoying your new relationship right now? Stop wasting time. Go tell her right now. Just say something like "I want us to be together." Just fvcking do it man.
 
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Ace of Flames said:
Stop thinking so much. Wouldn't you rather just ask her and be enjoying your new relationship right now? Stop wasting time. Go tell her right now. Just say something like "I want us to be together." Just fvcking do it man.
Holy mother of GOD, I think this is the first time I agreed with you, EVER.

Honestly, is it that scary to tell a girl you like her? I'd rather do that than... let's say... parachuting! Seriously, flirting with girls is not exactly as dangerous as.... let's say, lion taming
 

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ya i know...you act as if im new to getting laid...ive juss never been involved in a "serious" relationship...


btw your first statement made no sence...holy mother of god..?? Thnx
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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btw...i juss wanna say im the biggest pimp on here...took a LJBF girl to a I wanna fvck your brains out and have your kids girl...thnx

Me > 89% of the ppl on this site....

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Charm&Style said:
btw...i juss wanna say im the biggest pimp on here...took a LJBF girl to a I wanna fvck your brains out and have your kids girl...thnx

Me > 89% of the ppl on this site....

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Through the very act of saying that, you lost any "pimp" status you may have had.

You < 95% of this site (you're still better than a troll)

You know why you're having a problem with this whole thing? You're taking it too seriously. What's so different between your relationship now, and after you've become "bf & gf"? They're only titles. You're still gonna do the same things you do now. Go on dates, hug and kiss, have sex... its the same sh!t. If you make it a big deal, it WILL be a big deal. Just chill out about this whole thing, and keep it simple. You'll be a happier man for it.
 

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ya thats true bro...good answer ma nikkuh

the only reason im prbly worried is because of the fact that turning your best friend into your lover aint nothing easy...juss want to make the best out of my pimpness :crazy:

but good advice...ill juss go with the flow.
 

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btw...i juss wanna say im the biggest pimp on here...took a LJBF girl to a I wanna fvck your brains out and have your kids girl...thnx

Me > 89% of the ppl on this site....
If this were true, you wouldn't feel the need to validate yourself like this and try and convince us that it's true.

Anyway, why don't you just introduce her as your girlfriend the next time she meets someone you know for the first time?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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